8804 User Manual
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1. A sse m RAP 7 8804 soo FB20553 26 06 06 Date Traced RAP 16 Channel Drg No CN No Checked Fader pack SHT 1 o 1 checkes AMS NEVE Plc 2006 19 A1 INSTALLATION PROCEDUI TOOL SREQOTR EL A REMOVE 10off SCREWS MARKED A amp TOP COVER PLATE FROM THE UNIT 5 n a ES an aa B amp KEEP SAFE TO RE USE S M i E B REMOVE EXISTING SCREWS NUTS WASHERS amp COVER PLATE DISCARD e TOOLS YOU WILL NEED C i OR DER E S D ARE NN JEA SINC A NA OR O A a OR DRILL OUT EXISTING PILLARS FROM REAR USING 6mm DIA DRIL R ZA LD Bo A E ar OY CY AA A A A n AN O No i le O e lo a ON ON ON N A BN le Tat BA a rere aie o C l i O ol Jo o P S e O OU O ODD Q BEING CAREFUL NOT TO BREAK THROUGH THE CHASSIS WALL FULLY POTI_DRIVE SCREWDRIVE SISSYHO Y 3sA3 od S4 gl gsn SLNdLNO LAJSNI GJONV IYE SLNdNI LYSSNI ee SAVIS SLAdLAO NIYA G3ONV IVE q1 LAO XIN Y 1 MdS NIVA y T AdS LW Y LNO dH A V DVICE W VL ASEH NI 432. gt Connect the 8804 USB port to a PC or Mac using a USB cable It should be connected directly to the computer or via a powered USB hub but not via a passive USB hub The 8804 has no power supply and takes it s power from the computer via USB gt Connect the 50 pin Fader I O socket on the rear of the 8804 to the 50 pin socket on the rear of the 8816 using the cable provided gt Connect the associated 8816 to the same PC or Mac using a USB cable If the Recall software has been started the 8804 fader pack will now control the level of signals on the 8816 channel inputs and master outputs Mutes and Solos may be controlled from either the 8804 or the 8816 Mute Solo switches The Mute and Solo buttons will not synchronise between the two units until both units are connected to the PC or Mac via USB and the Recall software is running 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 The 8804 Unit Rear Connections The rear of the 8804 has connections for e USB e Audio connection to the 8816 Fader I O e Direct Outputs Depending on the age of the unit the Direct Outputs will either be on a 50 way connector as shown here Fader I O Direct Outputs 0f on 2 x 25 way D type connectors each handling 8 audio paths Fader I O Direct Outputs Direct Outputs 9 16 1 8 USB Port The USB port should be connected to either a PC or a Mac During normal operation the USB provides co
3. A Neve Neve 8804 Fader Pack User Manual 527 369 Issue 2 7 D 5 A 6 7 8 A Ae Ss 4 15 1 E 1 1 1 E lt G CHANNELS MAIN MIX The 8804 fader pack is a complimentary product for the 8816 Summing Mixer lt provides fader level control and Direct Outputs control from each channel plus Mute and Solo function 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Health amp Safety Notice For your own safety and for the protection of others please observe the following safety instructions e Read these instructions e Heed all safety warnings e Do not use near water e Clean only with a dry cloth e Do not install near heat sources e Do not block ventilation openings e Protect the power cord e Only use accessories specified by the manufacturer e Unplug when unused for long periods of time e Refer all servicing to qualified personnel only AMS NEVE Billington Road Burnley Lancs BB11 5UB England Phone 44 0 1282 457011 Fax 44 0 1282 417282 Email info ams neve com Web www ams neve com Support http www ams neve info crm fault_report html 2007 2010 AMS Neve Ltd own the copyright of all information and drawings contained in this manual which are not to be copied or reproduced by any means or disclosed in part or whole to any third party without written permission As part of our policy of continual product improvement we re
4. Installation Program You will be gt AA necessary to install this software A Installation Type A installing A Finish Up Installation Type F installing OA Finish Up eN Install Neve Recall O installation Type installing Finish Up e00 Install Neve Recall Installation Type installing Installation for Mac Insert the CD containing the software into the Mac and the install programme will launch automatically gt Click Continue Select the location where you wish the software to be installed to gt Click Continue gt Click Upgrade and the software will start to install The progress bar will show the state of the installation gt Once completed click Close The software is now ready to use 13s 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Firmware Upgrades In order to get the most from your Neve unit you should ensure that the latest firmware is installed Upgrading your software is a simple process with on screens prompts to guide you Start the Recall software gt On the main screen right click the window title bar Mac users select Recall Selection of Units to F 8816M 8816S e Click Upgrade Firmware Select the file to transfer You will be prompted about removing other units When updating units only the unit that is being updated should be connected via USB All other units should have their USB disconne
5. SAB TO PI Ps ANS THIRD ANGLE PROJECTION in whole or in port used for monufo 8804 FADER UNIT GG SF es 4 cture or otherwise disclosed without EN l A N V j n Cust n s o N J Le 5 prior written consent of the company a NOTE SOM A OM MI EL IN H E IN J 3 OF GAR TY es pa W AMS NEVE PLC DRAWN APP D DATE AMS NEV LTD BILLINGTON ROAD DRG No DRAWN TO B 5 308 o BURNLEY LANCS BB11 SUB ENGLAND 2a SCALE 1 1 SMW 17 5 08 tev 01282 457011 Fax 01282 417282 AM 539 S
6. be rack mounted used on a table top or mounted in custom furniture gt To mount in a standard 19 inch rack the securing screws should be placed through the mounting holes using plastic washers to avoid scratching the unit Surface For table top use the tilt bar on the rear of the unit should be extended Supporting the unit at a convenient working angle The 8804 may be placed in custom studio furniture using the lip of the unit for Support 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Operation Channel Faders Master Faders gt E i 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Sixteen 100mm channel faders on the 8804 surface control the levels on channels 1 16 with a gain range from codB to 15dB Having 15dB gain in hand is a useful creative tool particularly when riding levels in the mix Care should be taken not to overload the workstation or other recording device by using too much boost across multiple channels simultaneously With the 8804 fader pack attached the 8816 rotary pots are taken out of the main circuit and retasked as an auxiliary send level control These auxes will always be pre fader and cannot be changed to post fader The 8816 Master Level pot is no longer used Cut Solo Channel Switches Two master faders control the Mix Left and Mix Right output levels with a gain range from dB to OdB With both faders at the top of their range the mix gain is unity Cut Solo bu
7. o o LA AR ga ae e EON Ly aie ee afoot a_i i Ly LF iowa A J 7 E h 6 7 A L Z Fal Ds 4 f F a 400 i G NB The metal shell of the connector should be connected to the 8804 chassis NB IN means an input to 8804 OUT means an output from the 8804 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Unit Specifications 8804 Specifications Dimensions Width 48 2 cm 19 Height 17 6 cm 4U Depth 3 2 cm 1 2 Weight 2 1 kg Channels 1 16 to 15dB Level Mix L amp R to 0dB Response 0 5dB 10Hz to 40kHz Measurement Window 10Hz to 80kHz Distortion Fader 0dB Distortion lt 0 005 20Hz to 20kHz i Measurement Window 10Hz to 22kHz Noise Fader OdB Noise lt 90dB 20Hz to 20kHz 19 1 DRAWING No SHT 1 or 1 EB20553 Channel I P Ch Fader Coms Control CH 1 shown 2 16 similar a FD Do Channel 0 P A inf to 15 dB Soffware Selection of Pre or Post and Cut of post CH Cut Recall Faders and Cuts Cut Solo bus Direct O P Power AU Post Clear All Mac or PC screen page O P Faders Inf to 0 LH I P Y F 50W Povo Inf to 0 gt a LH 0 P i FD Yo RH I P o F J gt o RH 0 P
8. the CD into the drive and the Set up program should automatically launch If the application fails to launch automatically on CD insertion then go to the CD Drive in Windows Explorer and double click the NeveRecall msi file or the setup exe file the file to launch the Setup program manually The Welcome screen will launch Click Next i Neve Recall Welcome to the Neve Recall Setup Wizard F The installer will guide you through the steps required to install Neve Recall on your computer Click Next to continue WARNING This computer program is protected by copyright law and international treaties Unauthorized duplication or distribution of this program or any portion of it may result in severe civil or criminal penalties and will be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible under the law ENEK Clic ext m ie Neve Recall License Agreement Please take a moment to read the license agreement now If you accept the terms below click Agree then Next Otherwise click Cancel By using this software you agree to AMS Neve s terms and conditions which are 1 Usage You may make as many copies of this gt Cl ick I Ag ree then cl ick Next nranram for nur nn use as wo need hut wou maw not x OI Do Not Agree If you click I Do Not Agree the install procedure will terminate 11 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 5 Neve Recall Select Installation Folder The installer will insta
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11. cted Even if you are updating two units of the same model they should be connected individually and updated in two separate operations If more than one unit is connected via USB when the Update is about to be performed a screen will prompt you to disconnect the other units Update 8803 Unit Firmware A prompt screen will confirm the software number amp version you should Select file with name down_8803_V hex select and display the current version of firmware for the unit Where Y is the Version Number Update Takes Approx 2 mins Current Firmware on Unit Version 2 Press OK to Continue Click OK Selecting a File for Transfer The Open File dialog will appear To locate the firmware data file please browse to the location e C Program Files Neve Recall Firmware for PC users File name down _8803_2 Fier clipes 0003 Outboad Farmer Fies he BB Canes e Applications Neve Recall Firmware for Mac users C Open as read only The file names follow the format down_88XY_V hex where XY are the last two digits of the 88 unit name e g 16 for 8816 and V is the software version number A typical filename will be down_8804_5 hex gt Double click on the latest filename which matches your unit If an incorrect file is selected the user will be prompted to select another file a YA e 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 File Downloading Please Wait Once the file is sele
12. cted the transfer will begin and the Recall screen will Updating Firmware display that the download is under way This process may take up to two minutes Neve Recall Upon completion the message Firmware Update Successful will be IMPORTANT PLEASE ne aay d is p ayed s gt Click OK to continue You can continue to update other units successfully without restarting Recall but the Recall software must be restarted once the entire process is finished Neve Recall If the transfer fails for example if the USB is removed by accident or power Error Updating Firmware File is lost to the unit a warning message will prompt to the user to try again Please try again gt If Recall is started with a unit that has no firmware the user will be prompted to upgrade the firmware as the unit cannot be used in Recall unless the firmware installation is successful Corrupted or Old Firmware If the firmware is corrupted or the unit has an old version of firmware a prompt will appear upon starting the Recall software to indicate that firmware must be updated before the user can proceed The process described above can then be followed to update the latest firmware 1 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Pin outs The Direct Outputs will either be available on a single 50 way connector earlier model or on two x 25 way connectors later model depending on when your unit was manufactured Direc
13. ir oras 9 ROC EE EEEN 9 FONO Derna itcccii r 9 Master Slave SettinQS oooccccccconcccn oso 10 Recall SoftWar8 ooocconcconcconcconcconcconnconncanonronennonnos 11 Installation for PC cceceesescssuvevensavers 11 Installation for M C cccccceeeeeeeee eens 13 Firmware UpOrades cccccccccceceeeeeseeeeeeeeaees 14 Selecting a File for Transfer 14 File Downl0adiNQD ccoccccccccccncnnncnnnnnns 15 Corrupted or Old FirMWare oommcccmmm 15 FIN OU Sino 16 Direct Outputs 50 way connector 16 Direct Outputs 2 X 25 WaYV ioccccccncnnm 17 Audio link between 8804 amp 8816 18 Unit SpecificationS cccccccce eee eee eee eeeeeeeaees 19 In the unlikely even that this unit should malfunction or develop a fault then please register the fault details on our website by clicking the link below You will also need to enter the unit s serial number when you do this so please have this to hand http www ams neve info crm fault report html Once the fault details have been registered one of our technical support team will be in touch via email This link should also be used for further operational or technical help or any general enquiry about the unit 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Overview The 8804 fader pack is a complementary product for the 8816 Summing Mixer please see the separate 8816 User Manual When adding an 8804 to an 8816 that was
14. ll Neve Recall in the following folder To install in this folder click Next To install to a different new or existing folder enter one below or click Browse Folder C Program Files Neve Recall The installation programme will select a default location for files to be copied and created to Click Next or click Browse and then select another location Cancel Previous 4 i Neve Recall Confirm Installation The installer is ready to install Neve Recall on your computer Click Next to start the installation Click Next to start the installation i Neve Recall Installing Neve Recall Neve Recall is being installed Cancel The install will start and file progress will be shown i Neve Recall Neve Recall Information Please visit http wuww ams neve com and register your product today to receive the latest updates and support on Neve Recall AMS Neve Ltd http www ams neve com Click Next to continue Te gt Click Next i Neve Recall Installation Complete Neve Recall has been sucessfully installed Click Close to exit gt Once the install has successfully completed click Close The software will now be ready to use and will be accessible from Start Menu Programs Neve Recall Neve Recall or from the Recall icon on the Desktop 12 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Keka Install Neve Recall Welcome to the Mac OS X
15. mmunication between the 8804 unit and the associated 8816 unit sending Cut and Solo commands from one to the other plus providing power to the 8804 For this reason when connecting the unit to a PC or Mac it must either be connected directly to an available USB port or via a powered hub not via a passive hub It also provides a link to the PC or Mac for the saving and restoring of 8804 settings Please see the separate Recall manual Direct Outputs Depending on the age of the unit these will either be available on a single 50 way connector or on two x 25 way D type connectors We do not include cables for the Direct Output connections The Direct Outputs are balanced Please refer to page 16 for connector pin out information SB 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Fader I O This 50 way D type connector is the analogue audio link between the 8816 and the 8804 This cable is provided with the 8804 gt Connect one end to the 8804 connect the other end to the 50 way D type socket on the associated 8816 unit Please refer to page 18 for connector pin out information should you need it Unpacking The 8804 is shipped in a purpose made protective box Beneath the 8804 unit is a polystyrene floor underneath this floor should be e a CD containing software and manuals e a 50 pin audio cable e a USB cable e a ribbon cable for installation inside an 8816 unit Mounting The 8804 can
16. previously used in standalone mode it will be necessary to change jumper settings within the 8816 Please refer to the 8816 User Manual on how to do this 8816 units shipped with an 8804 fader pack will be ready for use with the 8804 On older 8816 models it may also be necessary to update the firmware please refer to page 14 on how to do this If in doubt please consult your local Neve Dealer 8804 provides fader level control direct outputs from each channel mute and solo control With an 8804 attached the level control on the 8816 is re assigned as an Auxiliary Pre fade Send Settings on the 8804 may be stored and recalled using the same Recall software as the 8816 and other members of the Neve 88 Outboard series System Requirements The 8804 may be used as a standalone unit If you wish to use the units Recall facility it should be connected directly to the computer or via a powered USB hub but not via a passive USB hub If you wish to use the Neve Recall software to store and reload user configurations you must have one of the following supported operating systems PC e Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 or later e Windows XP Service Pack 3 or later e Vista Service Pack 1 or later Mac OS 10 3 9 or later 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Getting Started Install the Recall software provided on to your PC or Mac and then start it running Please refer to page 11 on how to do this
17. serve the right to alter specifications without notice but with due regard to all current legislation Disclaimer The information in this manual has been carefully checked and is believed to be accurate at the time of publication However no responsibility is taken by us for inaccuracies errors or omissions nor any liability assumed for any loss or damage resulting either directly or indirectly from use of the information contained within it Trademarks All trademarks are the property of their respective owners and are hereby acknowledged 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Table of Contents Health amp Safety Notice ccssseeseseesseseeeeeeees 2 Customer Ser IC ainia aaa 3 O VOI a 4 Getting Started microsite 5 TR 8804 UM 6 Rear CONNECCIONS ccccceeccecueueuucuaueeuunas 6 USB POG aiaccavsecacetemexcacdeniivacteressantesesd 6 Direct OUMOU Sincectcsseccnsetenctapeccueectaneees 6 Fader VO wees peor epee cores ener sens 7 UNPACKING usina does ds 7 MOUNT Ojerasceategeseteretsyetatecon es vsicenstecen 7 OD GIAO ciicoscencstencsetsenisccsten pio 8 Channel Fader Susini diria cia 8 Master Fader raices id amencauceden 8 Cut Solo Channel SwitcChesS o oocococononcmo 8 Cut Solo Master SWItCHN cccececeeeceueuees 9 A3 Circuit Block Diagrams 8804 Optional control with 8816 Summing Mixer Customer Service Direct OITDU Scaricare ide cosacos 9 Auxiliary SON O
18. t Outputs 50 way connector Pin Number Cable a a 13 o gt o 50 not used The metal shell of the Connector should be connected to the 8804 chassis 246 2 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Direct Outputs 2 x 25 way On newer issues of the 8804 fader pack this single 50 way D connector has been replaced by two 25 way D connectors Both of these connectors use standard Tascam wiring so any cables that adhere to this convention can be used t e do le 45 fo 7 de GCHGCHGCHGCHGCHGCHGCHGCH Looking at the fader pack from the rear the connector on the right is for channels 1 8 Circuit Channel iia Hi Lo Screen 1 1 24 12 25 2 2 10 23 11 3 3 21 9 22 4 4 7 20 8 5 5 18 6 19 6 6 4 17 5 7 7 15 3 16 8 8 1 14 2 The connector on the left is for channels 9 16 Circuit Channel an Hi Lo Screen 1 9 24 12 25 2 10 10 23 11 3 11 21 9 22 4 12 7 20 8 5 13 18 6 19 6 14 4 17 5 7 15 15 3 16 8 16 1 14 2 247 e 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Audio link between 8804 amp 8816 Pin Number Cable i E E ie i ro Y F aay ore eee OO O ao a A wa if ar ha 4 i ON E q L pean BR e A d i E y Ei nes ie F ror y 7 a 4 dq a A al os ee F t m oF a A
19. tput wiring pin outs Auxiliary Send With the levels controlled from the 8804 faders the rotary level control on the 8816 is available to use as an auxiliary pre fade send level control The output appears on Circuit 4 of Connector 3 on the 8816 Please see the 8816 User Manual for details of this connector Recall Setting Up gt Connect the 8804 and 8816 units to the PC or Mac via USB cables 5 gt Ensure that both of the 8804 and 8816 units have been set to the same RECALL state M Master or S Slave using the Recall Setting switch on the back SETTING of each unit With the 8816 unit and 8804 connected to the PC or Mac start the Neve Recall software NB No more than two The Cut Solo switches are automatically synchronised between the two 8804 units can be units therefore both units reflect the same Cut or Solo state as each other connected at any time to a PC or Mac and In the default set up mode the 8816 becomes the control unit for mutes Recalled or during Recall this can be switched to the 8804 synchronised with their respective 8816 Please see the Recall manual for more information units 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Master Slave settings It is possible to have a maximum of two 8816 units and two optional 8804 fader packs connected via USB to the Recall software If you only have one 8816 and one 8804 fader pack connected both units m
20. ttons above each channel activate the Mute relays in the 8816 via the USB connection The switches on the 8816 or on the 8804 may both be used each will illuminate to reflect changes made from the other e In Cut mode each button mutes the associated channel e In Solo mode each button solos the associated channel The solo type is Solo In Place where all non soloed channels are muted 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Cut Solo Master Switch The Cut Solo switch on the upper right of the 8804 sets the mode of the Cut Solo channel switches e When the Master switch is illuminated yellow the channel buttons are in Solo mode e When the switch is unlit all channel switches are in Mute mode left Direct Outputs ecall Unit 8804S EER on e The 8804 provides balanced Direct Outputs from each of the 16 channels JHOOOHUHHOOOHUHOHUON These can be used for recording or as sends to effects units and processors The Direct Outputs can be set Pre or Post faders within the Recall software If a channel Direct Output is set to post fader the user can select whether this Direct Output will be muted by the Cut Solo switch Please see the separate Recall Manual for how to set up the Direct Outputs as Pre or Post Fader The Direct Output balanced circuits will be on either on a 50 pin D type connector or on two 25 way D type connectors on the rear of the 8804 Please refer to page 16 for Direct Ou
21. ust be set to SLAVE so the Recall software will operate correctly as shown S en Jerte Info tit LEE o Ao eee SS PSCC CSCC CCS Set to SLAVE mr If you have two 8816s and two 8804 fader packs then one 8816 and 8804 must be set to MASTER and the other 8816 and 8804 must be set to SLAVE In this diagram the 8816 on the left is the master in terms of audio l gt 2 with the unit on the right feeding submix signals into it Y tal tido lora lidad Lata Set to MASTER pp Oo Set to SLAVE o III IC HET A CUNA eee eee N Pasa eee een verre AN AAAA AAAA eRe E E ET Zee es ty e a Aa dii e rt ft ft ff ef oe eee ee ee s o ern et oe en en oe NANO Set to MASTER Set to SLAVE 1 88 Outboard Series 8804 Fader pack Issue 2 7 Recall Software For more information on installing and operating the Recall software and how to update the firmware on the 8804 unit please see the separate Recall documentation This is available for download from the AMS Neve website The Neve Recall software allows settings from the 8804 to be stored on a PC or Mac and recalled for later use Recall can be used for all the units in the 88 range including 8801 8803 8804 and 8816 Multiple units can be stored and recalled together Please see the separate Recall Manual for further details this is available as a download from the Neve web site Installation for PC shies Fil Jl Insert
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