EE Podcast #79 Add-on Development with Mark Croxton
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1. h EE Podcast 79 Add on Development with Mark Croxton Music Lea Alcantara You are listening to the ExpressionEngine Podcast Episode 79 Today we are talking about EE add on development with special guest Mark Croxton I m your host Lea Alcantara and I m joined by my fab co host Emily Lewis Emily Lewis Lea Alcantara This episode is sponsored by EE Garage EE Garage provides must have add ons built by dedicated ExpressionEngine developers with over five years of experience NSM Better Meta NSM Reports and NSM Override are just some of the popular add ons backed by an excellent support team EE Garage is committed to the community and as a thank you for those tuning in they are providing you our beloved listener with one free add on Visit ee garage com eepodcast to get your premium add on today Emily Lewis The ExpressionEngine Podcast would also like to thank Pixel amp Tonic for being our major sponsor of the year Music ends Hey Lea what s been going on with you Lea Alcantara lm enjoying fall for the most part It s really beautiful this time of year and it s still warm enough to do things outside But that s not as exciting as you Emily Lewis Laughs Lea Alcantara heard you moved to a new place How is that going Emily Lewis Oh it s going I m still unpacking but it s a really beautiful old 100 year old adobe house which is something I ve always dreamt of living in since2. inevitably leads to a slow website Lea Alcantara Agrees Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Mark Croxton And found that it solved a real problem on some of the websites was building with quite large quite a little traffic and found that the embeds made a big difference The embeds make a bid difference to the actual speed that they responded so it was important It was also the same and you must be aware of my plugin Switchee as well Timestamp 00 10 10 Emily Lewis Agrees Lea Alcantara Yeah Mark Croxton And kind of came out with a similar problem as saw those conditions where all of the different non matching conditions would still be rendered by the template parser and of course that adds overhead to a page so Switchee is the solution to that problem with advanced conditionals Again it came out basically hitting rules with speed and responsiveness of ExpressionEngine websites Emily Lewis Since the initial development for these add ons like Stash and Switchee they ve evolved over time how do you decide how to grow an add on Mark Croxton Quite often it s from suggestions made by people that are actually using it It comes from the forums or Twitter wrote IfElse and Jacob Russell said Could we have it on Switchee for IfElse conditions Emily Lewis Agrees Mark Croxt
3. sites or sites where you ve got multiple views for the same set of content Emily Lewis Agrees Lea Alcantara Agrees Emily Lewis Will that even apply like in a mobile situation Mark Croxton Indeed yeah so you could have a sort of adaptive design where the content and the presentation with the mobile is a bit different to the sort of tablet view or the desktop view Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Lea Alcantara So when you are creating your templates do you actually know when was chatting with Adrienne she prefers to keep some of the HTML in her templates a lot more so it s a lot more readable and easier to update for her Mark Croxton Yeah Lea Alcantara How do you approach it Do you try to separate it as much as possible What exactly is in your opinion the right balance Mark Croxton Well if you can be quite purist about it then you should really try and separate the HTML markup from the view model if you like entirely and either put it into snippets or use Stash list so that you don t actually have to have markup in that template at all Because really the idea is that you have a separation of concerns You have a view model which deals with the getting of data and this sort of presentation of logic and then you have a view template which just deals with the markup In that way you ca
4. Alcantara So is that why you provide your add ons for free Mark Croxton Yes that s partly the reason Lea Alcantara Well what are the other reasons Mark Croxton I ve got a lot of active open source software generally with Codelgniter in particular Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton And just feel like have sort of debt to repay in that respect to give back because I ve just benefitted so much So think it s good to support open source software as far as possible to at least share if the software as open source You mentioned that the support issue is another It s quite hard to support add ons on a commercial basis Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton With a free add on in some respects people have a pure expectations of you mean it s a bit possibly a bit later don t have much time to answer questions Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Lea Alcantara Sure Mark Croxton try as best can on the support forums and think with something like Stash in particular that it s really complex module Lea Alcantara Agrees Emily Lewis Agrees Mark Croxton And it takes a lot of investment in time from ExpressionEngine developers to get to know how it works think if you had to buy it think you could buy it think it would be a barrier to the adoption of this paradigm
5. Lea Alcantara Agrees Emily Lewis Well remember Adrienne mentioning on our last episode that one of the things she got or she found most useful with regard to Stash was just in the forums about how people are using it and their own questions and so in a way the support that is there is still helpful Mark Croxton Yeah It s getting quite a lot actually with that forum There is quite a lot of useful stuff in there Emily Lewis Agrees Mark Croxton If you search through it there is a very good chance that your questions had already been asked because the same question is really normally about partials that come out again and again as well One of the things that comes up again and again is this idea of trying to set a variable within another tag and then trying to get it outside of that tag and people don t quite appreciate that module tags are parsed outwards inwards Emily Lewis Agrees Mark Croxton Putting tags apart and not the other way around But think it s like an onion where you peel the layers off so the template parser makes multiple partials of template It peels off the Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton outer layer of tag to reveal the inner layer and then back and the layer would have been transformed by the outer layers with the parsing of the outer layer and so it kind of progresses
6. a particular period of time and that means that the next time that template is viewed it won t actually be processed Lea Alcantara So lm curious you mentioned and we are still talking about embeds and embeds seemed to be the sticking point in terms of performance but when I m working on my current Stash site and using Adrienne s examples we still need to embed the wrapper template somehow Mark Croxton Yeah yeah Lea Alcantara Is there any way in the future where that can be avoided where we can pull the wrapper template without having to use the native embed Mark Croxton Well one embed is not too bad in actual in fact but wrote a new tag code in the Stash embed which functions in much the same way as an ExpressionEngine embed that gives you a lot more custom parameters and you can really kind of change the way that content of the templates parse You can change the order in which Stash embeds are processed using priority parameter and you can choose to include your Stash embed at the very start of its host templates before a parsing has happened You can include it in line as a field is tagged where you can include at the end of template parsing which is always exactly the same an ExpressionEngine embed Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton In addition to that you can demarket areas of the template with S
7. an Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton make changes and see them immediately But if you disable that when you go to production then you ll find that your site will load very very quickly Emily Lewis You re talking about some features of Stash that maybe folks might not be as familiar with given the types of projects they are working on Are there any other approaches or even just individual parameters that you think are pretty powerful in Stash that maybe folks don t know about Mark Croxton Yeah mean one of the useful parameters that use is the match against filtering and so there is a match and against parameter which allows you to specify a regular expression against which the variable is matched and you can use that when you re either setting a variable or a list or getting a variable or a list So we could for example store if you have a channel of people and you saved that as a Stash list and then you just wanted to output all of the people where there is custom field group with last name and you want to out all the people with their last name beginning with C you could use match against to that when you re getting the list Emily Lewis really really really struggle with regular expressions Mark Croxton Laughs Emily Lewis Do you have any suggestions especially for maybe a more designer minded per
8. ar expression and see if it matches up a particular string you re trying to match and that s extremely useful Emily Lewis Oh okay Mark Croxton And there is also a little matter with applications the Windows applications which do the same thing But you very very quickly get the hang of regular expressions I m no expert really on regular expressions but Laughs Lea Alcantara Laughs Emily Lewis Laughs Mark Croxton Yeah right They can be really fun so give it a go Emily Lewis Laughs Mark Croxton Laughs Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Lea Alcantara Laughs Well I m really grateful that at least in Switchee you give an example of probably one of the more common regular expressions which is pagination like how do detect a paginated string Feature requests more examples please Laughs Emily Lewis Laughs Mark Croxton Laughs Well it s not a bad idea think yeah you re probably right mean one of the things that Stash and Switchee both exactly have really good documentations and I m not very good at that was really grateful to Adrienne for writing that article about Stash It s one of the things I m not really very good at I m afraid do my best Lea Alcantara Is that why Mark Croxton don t get much time Timestamp 00 19 59 Lea
9. at and not repeat in terms of readability and still wrapping my mind around this way of creating templates Emily Lewis Cool Lea Alcantara Yeah Emily Lewis Now since we talked a fair amount about the Stash add on with Adrienne and how she s building her template partials we thought it would be fitting to talk to the creator of Stash and other extremely useful add ons Mark Croxton Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Mark is a partner at the Hallmarkdesign consultancy where he focuses on web design and development As we mentioned he s the developer behind some of the most popular and useful EE add ons available including Stash Switchee and IfElse Welcome Mark thanks for joining our podcast today Mark Croxton Hello there how are you Emily Lewis We are great Lea Alcantara Thanks for coming Mark Croxton Oh you re welcome Emily Lewis Laughs Did you have an opportunity to listen to our podcast with Adrienne and how she s using your Stash add on Mark Croxton Yes did yeah It s very close to the approach take as well She sort of simplified it a little bit because she s only using one wrapper template and tend to switch out the wrapper template using Switchee Emily Lewis Oh Mark Croxton Yeah and it s kind of useful if you re trying to lets say create multilingual
10. at the pro or con of that approach is Mark Croxton Well they probably would agree because they don t want people messing about and creating sort of subsidiary add ons which create many bits of functionality which they then can t control and possibly have to get support the quest for why does this work and so on Lea Alcantara Agrees Emily Lewis Agrees Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Mark Croxton And so understand why they would object to it but at the same time think that the benefits are so important that much prefer that they use to protect it in private And certainly not many developers will agree with me or not on that think Laughs Lea Alcantara Do you think there is such a thing as a best practices for developing add ons for ExpressionEngine saw on Twitter that DevDemon was talking about a PSR 2 coding standard but then it conflicts with the syntax guide or whatever Do you have a sort of process thinking this is the way you need to do it Mark Croxton Well you should just follow a coding style a style guide either the general style guide and this comes with the user manual in Codelgniter or you could adopt the PSR 1 to coding style guides kind of prefer the syntax of the Codelgniter and style guide to PSR 2 but think the most important thing is actually consistency Lea Alca
11. blem of passing data between different parts of your templates Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton And so was always dissatisfied with that approach and recognized that it wasn t working read this article by John Wells about template partials and it just sort of struck me that that approach it just made so much sense to me immediately In the article he encourages you to build your own plugin and that s exactly what did for Stash Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton then set out to make like a definitive template partials plugin wanted to make something that works for me and explore what could do with it and it just so happen have this quite complicated project that started and thought Well might just give it a go It sort of evolved from that project All the various bits and pieces to it grew from the requirements that came out of that project Emily Lewis So it was initially something Stash came about to address your template development and then it just be evolved to do so much more Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Mark Croxton Yeah it s solved particular problems that I ve been having and encountering time and again and initially sort of have this idea that you should have this separation of markup from the view model but wasn t able to implement that fully b
12. ecause still ended up as Adrienne found She s still in her example just ends up with bits of content mixed up into the view model Emily Lewis Agrees Mark Croxton It s not ideal and sort of compromised a bit by using snippets and putting those little bits of markup For example a list item will go into a snippet so that it s kind of in a separate place but it s definitely a compromise and wasn t happy with that and that s why took it kind of have pushed it a bit further particularly with lists Stash lists to avoid that problem Lea Alcantara Agrees So let s take a step back a bit you had mentioned that you had a few problems before you started using Stash What in particular were the main problems that you wanted Stash to solve Mark Croxton lm sure you ve had this as well You ended up creating nested embeds Lea Alcantara Yeah Mark Croxton Partially it s because of parse order You would just find that in order to get a particular item or data to another part of your template you need to create an embed and parse it as a variable through the embed Emily Lewis Agrees Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton And just found that it s kind of useful to help that to encapsulate your templates your useful elements of your template and to calibrate that That s certainly a good thing but the fact is that you end up with lots and lots of nesting and the nested templates the nested embeds
13. er for example So yeah mean it s just awareness really completely understand how people can create add ons They ve got a deadline and they just need to use some existing snippet code they ve got already If it works then just use that but obviously mean if we are talking about best practice then try and make use of a framework the ExpressionEngine framework or Codelgniter framework to do the heavy duty stuff for you rather than reinventing Also make your efforts for making methods your class methods if it s general and if it s possible so that individual classes extended for example by me can add new functionality to it without bidding to completely really like parts of it Writing lots of comments as well so that if someone else reading your code can understand why you re trying to do something Emily Lewis So do you have a process yourself when you create an add on Is there a preplanning step involved Mark Croxton Well not always but quite often am one of these I m a guy under pressure that needs to get something done Emily Lewis Agrees Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton And just get out my text editor and start coding but have built a few add ons where sit down and sketch out what want and particularly if it s got a database component try and model the database the data model if you like and I ve got an app call SQL Editor used to do that And so lIl put the tables t
14. k you so much for joining us Mark Mark Croxton You re welcome Great to talk to you Emily Lewis It was great talking with you as well In case our listeners want to follow up with you where can they find you online Mark Croxton You can find me on Twitter I m croxton or you can find me on my website at hallmark design co uk Emily Lewis Great Lea Alcantara Music Thanks Mark Now we d like to thank our sponsors for this podcast EE Garage and Pixel amp Tonic Emily Lewis We would also like to thank our partners EngineHosting and Devot ee Lea Alcantara Also thanks to our listeners for tuning in If you want to know more about the podcast make sure you follow us on Twitter eepodcast or visit our website ee podcast com Emily Lewis And don t forget to tune in to our next episode when we will be recording live at EEC in Austin Texas Lea Alcantara Oooooh Emily Lewis Laughs Lea Alcantara Laughs This is Lea Alcantara Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Emily Lewis And Emily Lewis Lea Alcantara Signing off for the ExpressionEngine Podcast See you next time Emily Lewis Cheers Timestamp 00 35 38 Music stops Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0
15. like that It s peeling away layers one at a time until there are no more tags left That s how it works There is a guy Low has written some really good resources on parse order that I d certainly like to encourage developers to read Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton There is a PDF of this and a slideshow Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton And it sort of goes into detail about how the ordering which things are parsed and think an understanding of that is extremely important if you re going to make the best use of my Stash so that you can appreciate why things happen the way they do Emily Lewis And then perhaps in turn more effectively use Stash to sort of subvert that parse order Mark Croxton That s right You sort of need to understand why think do worry that some people are doing this blind and making use of it possibly because it s a cool thing to do Lea Alcantara Laughs Mark Croxton But not quite appreciating why they are doing it and think that s a shame think if more developers learn about the parse order and why it can be useful to subvert it in certain times then that would be good and it would mean wouldn t get so many questions Laughs Emily Lewis Laughs Lea Alcantara Laughs Emily Lewis So that s not really a pet peeve it s more of something you d love to see more developers do but do you have a pet peeve that you see a lot of add on developers are doing that
16. moved to the southwest It comes with a lot of black widow spiders and some roaches Lea Alcantara Agrees Emily Lewis So laughs I m getting used to my roommates Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Lea Alcantara Laughs Emily Lewis But have an exterminator that s trying to get that under control But other than that it s been a really great experience stressful but I m really excited about being settled in here Lea Alcantara Well it sounds really cool Emily Lewis Yeah this is our first podcast from my new adobe house Laughs Lea Alcantara Ooh Emily Lewis On our last podcast we talked with Adrienne Travis about template partials with the Stash add on Lea Alcantara Agrees Emily Lewis And it was really inspiring for me I m convinced must try her approach for my next EE build but don t have one of those quite around the corner yet But remember you mentioning it was something you were thinking about trying for a new client Lea Alcantara Yeah pretty much So actually did dive into it just recently with the current client of mine just to see how it goes and you know what with Adrienne s article and I also read an article from Viget s blog as well it s so far so good Emily Lewis Agrees Lea Alcantara What I m struggling with a bit is what is okay to repe
17. n swap out the markup more easily and also reformat it on the fly for the different purposes and like said before like modeling it sideway you might have for example a right to left template for languages like Hebrew and Arabic or Chinese and a left to right template for Latin based languages Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton And that s just an example It gives you that flexibility to have a separation between your view and model logic and your presentation of the markup Emily Lewis Has that approach been your standard approach since beginning your work with EE And is it that why you created some of these add ons to scratch your own itch Mark Croxton It hasn t been my approach No started out probably like most ExpressionEngine developers with the header template and the photo template Emily Lewis Agrees Lea Alcantara Agrees Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Mark Croxton And was always dissatisfied with that approach because the page title are being set in the body of the template Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton But you would have no means really to pass it to the title tag in the head Lea Alcantara Agrees Emily Lewis Agrees Mark Croxton And so you end up replicating the channel entries tag You get multiple tags on the page on the template just to solve the pro
18. ntara Agrees Mark Croxton So adopting one or the other is a good thing There are other things you can do Quite often see in other people s add ons is markup and channel scripts mixed up inside a model file or inside what you got itself the parse itself Lea Alcantara Agrees Emily Lewis Agrees Mark Croxton It should be separated out into view files It s the same with any kind of database interactions they should go into model files rather than being all mixed up together so you ve got proper separation of those areas Also making use of the actual built in help functions and APIs and so we re reinventing which happens a few times Lea Alcantara Why do you think that is Is it because a lot of people aren t even aware that these APIs or hooks exist Does that why Do you think that the developer community needs to have some more communication or at least like Here is the standard hooks for everything here Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Mark Croxton Well think probably it s just going to be awareness if that exist with these functions Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton And some new things have been added So if you use to gather thing in the old way then lets say moving from ExpressionEngine 1 to 2 you re not necessarily going to be aware of the helper functions in Codelgnit
19. ogether and see how they relate And if it s got kind of control panel Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton component the user interface then lIl knock that out in Illustrator and flush it out in Photoshop and work out the sort of the markup and JavaScript for it before actually building anything Timestamp 00 30 27 Now programming the add ons it s a good idea to sort of just putting your right class method stubs in your Class and just write out under each method what people are going to be doing in that method Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton And so that you ll sort of get an outline of all of your functionality that you need to build and that s incredibly useful about that approach and just writing comments first and then building the functionality mean tend to sort of write a manual and then it s like of sort of making addition on the method outright the different types of conditions if it happens I d do that So I sort of write out a kind of almost like a big to do list in this class and then I m going to build up from there Lea Alcantara Agrees think we are almost out of time Mark Croxton Oh Lea Alcantara Before we wrap up have one final question As an add on developer what s your favorite add on that isn t yours Mark Croxton It s called Low Search Lea Alcantara Ag
20. on And thought that was a good idea and so just sort of created something together just because it was just kind of like a great idea Beside the suggestions by people through the forums it s from problems encountered with client work I m doing One example did is the parsing of better template codes later on in the parse order template that came out as a couple of hits in particular with one of our clients where we needed to get some injected HTML JavaScript and CSS into the head of a page and so came up with this parse order subversion in Stash where you can Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton process the end of a template parser Let s say you ve got a parameter process end process in line process start and that just means that you can turn the parser around its head really and process your chunk of code a different time at the end of a template parser which is incredibly handy thing just use it more and more now for my templates Emily Lewis And assume that that also improves performance as well Mark Croxton Yes it can do Certainly if it involves if it means that you don t need to have an embed Emily Lewis Agrees Mark Croxton If you create the Stash variable process at the end and use let s say the parameters as well you can cache the rendered output of that chunk of code for
21. rch module I m sold on Low Search It s great Lea Alcantara Laughs Emily do you have any final questions Emily Lewis Well was curious about one thing has there been a user a scenario that has surprised you the way someone used one of your add ons Mark Croxton Well quite a lot of interesting approaches that come out of the forums and people have said Oh I m trying to do this and thought Oh find it actually interesting on the thought of actually doing it One example is the sort of organizing entries into categories hadn t thought that you could do that through using Stash but someone said Well can you do this had to think about it and realized that actually you could There s quite a lot of things from out of just suggestions on the forums One was like the crumb trails remembering the pages that you visited Someone had built an entire sort of crumb trail based on Stash which is great Emily Lewis Oh Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Mark Croxton But they needed a method to unset that crumb trail but of course Stash didn t have an unset so read on Lea Alcantara Laughs Mark Croxton So it s great really enjoyed that feedback that get for the add ons and it helps to improve the add ons quite a lot Lea Alcantara Great Well than
22. rees Emily Lewis Agrees Lea Alcantara Interesting Why Mark Croxton It s really really useful for filtering entries in various ways and it persists your choices Lea Alcantara Oh Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Mark Croxton Let s say you ve created a form where you ve made a number of different choices perhaps the category the date range and so on Low has coded it so those choices are an remembered persistent in the data in the string that s actually sent to the results page So all of that data is there for you to use He s also got for in conditionals for example so you can repopulate a select menu or a multi select menu It s great I ve been using it a lot think it s a really great example of an add on It actually utilizes the channel entries module so it runs internally Lea Alcantara Oh interesting Mark Croxton Yeah so you ve got all of the functionality of channel entries exactly the same thing that Playa does as well and so it s building on top of that in terms of providing extra functionality and the other great thing about it of course is that it has an index of all of your searchable entries and that searching that index is very fast compared to actually searching through the channel data table or the channel titles table and much much faster than the built in sea
23. son to get up to speed on using regular expressions Mark Croxton Laughs There are good resources on the internet think there is Regex info It s worth checking out There is quite a lot of introductions to regular expressions and it s sort of basic the basics of them They are not that hard Laughs Lea Alcantara Laughs Emily Lewis Laughs Well mean know Switchee will support using regular expressions which think is one of the things that makes it quite powerful yet I m not quite able to leverage that power because I m not able to really write an effective regular expression Mark Croxton They seem intimidating like any sort of programming Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 h Emily Lewis Agrees Mark Croxton But think there are some basic things you could know For example a caret means to start a line and a dollar symbol means the end of a line It s just acknowledges on its own is really useful Backslash really matches a digit There are some basic stuff that you could read up on Emily Lewis Agrees Mark Croxton And it will give you an awful lot more power to what you re doing with templates It s definitely worth learning They are not that hard Emily Lewis Laughs Mark Croxton Laughs There are lots of online testing regular expression testing vocations like Rubular think is one where you can put your regul
24. tash low cache type heads so those areas don t actually get cached and tremendous kind of dynamic elements so that you can have areas of the template that are rendered and areas which are dynamic and thereby we have a much more efficient template You can use Stash embeds to replace conventional embeds in most situations Provided that you take advantage of the caching then they are going to be more efficient in ExpressionEngine embeds Lea Alcantara And when you say caching caching via Stash like the cache parameters in Stash or do you mean caching in general with EE caching options Mark Croxton No with Stash when you save the variable or read the file and saved into a variable which is when Stash encounters an embed Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton What you re doing is you re saving a chunk of data into a new row in a database table Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton And that data could be partially rendered content or a mix of dynamic content and HTML that s being rendered so you can control how much of that data is actually cached over Lea Alcantara Agrees Mark Croxton Subsequent views of template by Stash that doesn t go back to the file It reads from the database cache Lea Alcantara Okay Mark Croxton If there is a parameter you can use in your website s configuration file to make Stash to always check back the file and that s very useful when you re developing a website so that you c
25. they should maybe change or look out for or something that there is a better approach to it Some rights reserved License creativecommons org licenses by nc nd 3 0 http ee podcast com episodes add on development with mark croxton Mark Croxton Well do but I m not sure many add on developers will really agree with me Lea Alcantara Sure Mark Croxton Laughs But quite often extend existing classes and wrote Multiplaya for example which extended Playa and find that add on developers have quite often make some of their internal classes private rather than protect it the visibility of it is It s quite hard to extend a class where some of the matters are private because you can t override them in the child class It would be great if other add on developers could use private visibility for classes which are absolutely internal and if there is something which in particular is core the way the add on works like in the case of Playa it was the relationship method It s the way that relationships were established Emily Lewis Agrees Mark Croxton And making it protected would be brilliant to people like me who want to extend it Lea Alcantara Agrees Emily Lewis So why Mark Croxton But I m not sure they d agree with me I m not sure if add on developers will agree with me Emily Lewis Why wouldn t add on developer agree with that don t do add on development so I m not really sure wh
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