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1. Q The FAA ramp checked my parked 1969 260C model Comanche and found no external data plate and wrote a condition notice The data plate is in its original location riveted under the cowling on the firewall Is another data plate required I m sure the inspector didn t look under the cowling A Under Part 45 there was a ruling issued several years ago that if the original factory data plate was not visible externally on the aircraft another data plate was to be installed under the horizontal stabilizer on the left side of the aircraft This data plate was to include the N number make and model and the serial number so that the FAA during a ramp check could identify the aircraft and do a search on it Do not move the original plate from its original factory location Just call EAA or Aircraft Spruce and buy a blank identification plate and get it engraved with the information That way you are in compliance and not trying to duplicate the original Lucky Louque Replacing Cowl Flap Cables Feb 2012 Q Has anyone replaced a cowl flap cable by sliding a replacement wire through the outer housing from the cockpit If it works it would be easier than replacing an entire assembly How long does it take to replace the entire right cowl flap control cable assembly A Replacing just the wire and not the entire assembly is probably the better way to repair it if the wire is bent fractured etc If the wire is broken off at its attachment poin
2. sssssssssssssseseeee nennen nennen enne ener 38 Stabilator Control Binding Aug 2004 sse enne nnne nenne enne EEEE 38 Comanche 260C Engine Mount Dilemma Oct 2004 sssssssssssessee eene ennemis 38 Shoulder Harnesses Nov 2004 eiie dee irte cut oe en ha de REL dee Pha Re eara dea aae ea Rh Rea baee va Rida 39 Electric Trim ze E A A E A AE 40 Xenon Lights Provide Serious Illumination May 2005 sssssssseene nene nnns 41 Throttle Sticking NOV 2009 P i nania AE 42 Aileron Trim Nov 2005 e 43 Upgrading Supplemental Oxygen Will Lighten Your Load Sep 2006 43 Checking the Horn for Cracks Dec 2009 ient rt bee itat rU ER To LL ER REX RR RR Rede ena 45 Service Alert Rudder Attachment Dec 2009 uie saec esaet a ae eh de Re Rana ea 46 Booster Cables Jun201 1 ionic tiii AAE d Od ce id qat t deep Y de eut itd revu 48 Deice boots Jul 2011 EE 48 AMOC SUI 2011 T 48 Fresh air ducts Aug 2011 eene ener nenne nnnr entente nre nnn nn EEES enne nnne nnr enne nn 49 Vertical Fin Replacement Sep 2011 ssssssssssssssssseeseee eene nnne nentes tnr entere nnne 49 Sticking Flap Sep 2011 enne en nnn nennen rennen nennen rennen nennen nene nene nns 49 Data Plate Location Nov 2011 nennen nemen inneren inner irent nennen nnn rennes 50 Replacing Cowl Flap Cables Feb 2012 50 Ram s Horn Control Wheels
3. At this point we decided to go back to square one and restart with checking the rigging of the stabilator So level the aircraft level the stabilator and check the trim tab in this position it should be flush with the stabilator i e zero trim But no it s almost 3 4 inch down from zero So tried to readjust the stabilator tab activator arm 1 Guess What Not enough adjustment available The rod came out of the rod end bearing 3 and still wouldn t adjust By now I m fit to be tied just couldn t figure out where l d screwed up So I throw caution to the wind and call Maurice Well Maurice is puzzled too The probability of the actuator arm 1 being the wrong length is slim to none he says Go back and recheck the screw 10 position in the drum 7 Well it was accurate to plus or minus a thousandth of an inch About now I m looking desperately at the Figure 38 in the Parts Manual Suddenly there it is noticed the trim stops 5 amp 6 have different part numbers one for the top and one for the bottom Therefore the height length of them are IES Chapter 8 Airframe 28 of 53 different i e one is about 1 4 inch longer than the other And yes you guessed it had them reversed The long one goes on the bottom and the short one goes on the top And unlike the illustration in Fig 38 the flanges on the stops should go next to the trim drum 7 The bottom one in the illustration is correct but the top one i
4. Flap Alignment Another simple item to check and maintain on both the single and twin is flap alignment With electric flaps there is no connection to keep both left and right flaps in line at all times Should one flap not retract fully even within a half inch of full retraction after take off it will take full opposite aileron to maintain level flight Luckily when you throttle back and lower flaps to land things straighten out and you wonder what happened The two measures to prevent this would be to keep the flap slotted tracks super clean but not oily as this would pick up dirt Also on run up make sure you cycle flaps to note they retract fully on both sides Flap Maintenance For those of you with manual flaps the system can wear enough such that sooner or later you ll try to lower flaps and they won t come down Of course Murphy will make this happen as we set up for a short field landing at our favorite fishing hole airport The manual flap system has a tongue that pushes a locking pin out of the way so that the cable tension via your arm can lower the flaps Eventually the tongue will wear enough so that it doesn t push the locking pin completely out of the way and voila you have flaps locked in the up position Of course removing the assembly cleaning and new lubrication is desirable on a periodic basis There is a stop adjustment for the tongue that is held in position by two screws This stop faces you when y
5. need are four dynafocal mounting kits p n J 3804 30 according to Lord Manufacturing Company specifications I m in Europe and anxious to get my airplane back in the air Can you help A The Lord mount kit for the long nose Comanche 260C installation seems impossible to get With relatively few 260Cs in the fleet it is a unique application and is the only airplane requiring that kit As a result Lord does not presently stock it While it may be months before another run is produced do not despair Thanks to the efforts of a resourceful U S member who contacted Lord there is a way to get the parts you need without delay The dynafocal installation for your Lycoming IO 540N1A5 engine as it turns out shares components used in other kits The J 3804 30 mounting kit which is presently unavailable has only three essential components IES Chapter 8 Airframe 38 of 53 One J 3049 34 sandwich mounting One J 3049 35 sandwich mounting and One Y 6769 1 S spacer So for your installation you need a total of four each of those items Here s how you can get them Buy two J 3804 20 and two J 3804 41 mounting kits The J 3804 20 kits are for 250 and 260 model Comanches 1958 though 1969 and are readily available However the J 3802 41 kit may have to be special ordered since it is also for a rare installation and only used on aircraft with a three blade McCauley propeller conversion This kit is available from Cessna which has a s
6. talked with others such as the good people at WEBCO who also offer a kit for this AD on the subject and they suggest drilling out the rivets around 3 sides of this skin to gain access Then rivet it back afterward thereby not disturbing the integral strength of that part of the fuselage The stabilator torque IES Chapter 8 Airframe 27 of 53 tube and hinge assembly with balance weight can then be accessed by opening it up enough to work through the aft bulkhead If you a have a few special tools which you would probably need anyway believe this is a much faster way The special tools you will need are a Dremel tool with grinding stone for grinding off the bottoms of the high sheer rivets small angle drill with 30 amp 14 drill bits 3 reamers sizes 186 187 amp 3 16ths 1875 for reaming holes for tight fit The reamers purchased from MSC Industrial Supply 8913 H Street Omaha NE 800 223 8195 for about 6 8 each They are fluted reamers and about 4 1 2 long and will need to be cut down to a length of 2 3 4 1 4 inch drive inch Ibs torque wrench and possibly a self manufactured pin punch to drive a stubborn high sheer rivet After disassembly be sure to protect trim tab cables by wrapping them with tape and let them hang through aft bulkhead Grind off the bottoms of 1 or 2 of the collars of the high sheer riverts You probably will not need to drill these out in fact would not attempt it if it can be avoided
7. 10 I would like to inform the readers of my personal experience so they might benefit from it own 9200P the 1967 Piper photo airplane which is a 260B Recently while doing the annual inspection discovered loose rivets in the stabilator hinge attachment blocks This was NOT discovered by the way the inspection is to be performed but by using my index finger to wiggle or push on each rivet individually This airplane has passed the traditional test by having someone shake the stabilator up and down back and forth on 3 separate occasions It stands to reason that if you have 2 or 3 tight rivets securing the structure that if there are loose rivets in the structure they will not be disturbed because the tight rivets prevent play also discovered that the bottom 2 blocks were secured by regular aluminum rivets Now that the loose rivets were discovered called Maurice Taylor to get more info on the proper bolts to replace these with without spending 20 bolt times 20 The letter of approval from the FAA states that a an AN3 15A was to be the replacement for the AN3 20A that come as a kit offered by Piper This AN3 15A is too long by about 1 1 2 inch The bolt to use is an AN3 11A Maurice will probably address this in another article Now into the actual work of replacement Piper recommends that you gain access to this area by cutting a hole in the aft part of the fuselage then use 2 cover plates an option not included in Piper kit 2760 835
8. Hi Shear Rivets Check them again sssssssessssseneeeeenen enne ener 27 Stabilator Trim Drum Parts instalation zessin 28 Shirming out Trim Drum Wale iis ruina t tincta ird tet siet dne einer dere sapo e anre dna d 29 INESSE 31 Spar Cap Tensi n esris penri III LU 31 Tips for easy Inspection of the Wing Spars 31 lee 32 Wing Strobe Installatlon en tot exte toc ec etes In haud dod us eee Dd P addunt acea eas 32 Twinkle twinkle little Airplane where are YOU 32 Aileron Control Cables Oct 2002 from Maurice s Toolbox sseeeemm mmn 35 Paint Stripper Problems Dec2002 iita deinde nbb e Lao nte AE a aane p Loan MER daa nee dae ne ana iuada 35 Replace Clevis Pins to Preserve Cowling Attachments Dec 2003 seem 35 Flight Control Rigging May 000 enne nennen nennen netten rennen nennen enne n nnn nnns sn rents 36 Gluing Door Seals with Weatherstrip Jan 2004 ssssssssssssssseeeenee eene nnne enne 36 otatte Wieke Janm 2004 E 36 Asymmetric flaps Feb 2004 0 reete e ERR Dac era RE Rat AEE 36 Janitrol Heater Problem Apr 2004 sisted etcetera eee De nein ie ied dae ised ee 37 Stabilator Control Problem May 2004 ssssssssssssssessseseeeeeeeene nennen nnnren rennen nnn nn nent enne nennen nnns 37 Rubber Gap Seal on Rudder May 2004
9. Mar 2012 eene nennen nennen nennen terrre nenne enne nnne 51 Wiggins De Ice Boots Mar 2012 mene nemen nen nennen enne inen nnns nen ENNE nnne nnn 52 Tail Ballast on a PA30 May 2012 0 eer eene ne ee eee reed iren nnne ne renes nennen 52 Making your Own Bushings Jul 2012 ssssssssssssessese eene eene en nennen eer nennen nn enne nnns 52 Cowl Flap Repair Sep 2012 ooo ccc ceeececccene cece ee eeeee eae ee ee cece ce eaaeaeeeeeeececeaaaeaeeeeeeeseesecsacaeeeeeereesecqacaeeeeeeeeeseesaceeeeees 53 IES Copyright 2012 International Comanche Society Inc All rights reserved Miscellaneous Electric Trim Toggle Switch Box Check The only cloud on the trip was the continuous popping of the circuit breaker for the Electric Trim This of course caused the autopilot to fly a little out of trim Upon arriving home went to work on the Pitch channel of the beast and found everything OK up to the Trim Servo Amplifier which had two burned out transistors When replaced these everything was OK until plugged the control wheel cable into the amplifier then pop went the circuit breaker traced the problem to the flex cable and switch Power was shorted to ground When opened up the toggle switch box the insulation on the wires turned to powder and blew away In discussing this problem with other owners and mechanics in our area found that this cable and switch are the most common cause of problems In at least
10. a question It concerns tail flutter in the PA 30 believe that my problem was due entirely to CG being too far aft The tail flutter occurred when the take off weight was at gross but the back seats were shifted two notches further back than normally have them set Is there any report of flutter in any condition other than CG too far aft We are all well familiar with the stories of Bonanza s tails fluttering and coming off Has this ever been suspected or known to occur in a PA 30 When the tail fluttered the horizontal portion of the tail could be seen vibrating up and down rapidly perhaps 5 times per second and the control yoke likewise vibrating at the same frequency in and out with excursions of about 1 2 to 1 inch with each vibration in other words quite noticeable indeed and worrisome to the plane occupants about the possibility of our losing the entire tail of the aircraft This entire episode lasted about 10 minutes at 5 000 feet occurring about 10 minutes after takeoff In addition it occurred less severe 2 days later 2 hours into the flight well under gross weight and certainly within correct CG envelope for about 15 minutes Could have damaged the aircraft controls enough that one time that was out of CG at gross weight to the point that will have the problem continuously now regardless of loading or CG on an intermittent and unpredictable basis would also worry about the concept of metal fatigue and that might have
11. all serious and it is hard to say what caused it The spar has no attach points on the underside only on the side of the fuselage so this doesn t indicate spar trouble This same buckling problem occurs on new aircraft so don t worry about it You should be glad you have that zinc chromate inside the metal surfaces once saw an early model Bonanza on which the wing had corroded from the inside so badly that you could pry the rivet heads off with a pocket knife When we discovered this the pilot who happened to be an FAA man turned green and decided to walk home IES Chapter 8 Airframe 5 of 53 Flaps Flap Maintenance The key to having flaps operate properly is first to clean the tracks and leave them dry Lubricate the roller on its pin but do not get any oil on the tracks as this would certainly collect dirt and probably stick in the extended position in flight After regular cleaning and lubricating the rollers the following will probably keep you out of trouble 1 Use no more than 15 degrees for take off 2 Use no more than 15 degrees for landing until you are absolutely certain that you will not have to go around 3 After take off milk the flaps up a little bit at a time and stop at the first sign of any tendency to turn or roll Five degrees of misalignment can be handled easily while fifteen degrees takes full opposite aileron Because drooping ailerons go with the flaps on a Robertson Stol Twin Comanche they
12. at the fuselage level points This works fine but be aware that the designated point on the electric flaps doesn t exist on the manual types due to their different construction But since the shape is the same or should be a point anywhere along the flap should be the same Just be sure you place the measuring level on an undistorted surface the best being immediately adjacent to but not on top of a rib rivet line Check several places on both flaps and use a spot that is most consistently representative of both flaps If a bubble protractor type level is not available one can easily be constructed Simply buy a 6 plastic protractor and a 6 plastic rule and attach them together with a small screw at the center point of the protractor Then attach a small pocket string level to the edge of the rule Thus by moving the rule around the protractor s center attachment point one can read angles to less than one degree accuracy The bubble of course determines the level reference point for the assembly Make sure that the bubble is parallel with a straight line on the rule that is scribed through the center hole and use this line for reading the angles Procedure 1 Chock the aircraft so it won t move open the cabin door and climb in and out several times to cause the aircraft to settle in a position that won t change while working on it 2 Remove the rear wing root and wheel well fairing strips from both wings 3 Clean the flap operati
13. by driving them out with punch They may be difficult to drill straight If you have the regular aluminum rivets it will probably be very difficult to drive them out so start by drilling with a 30 drill drilling halfway from bottom then drilling the other half from top so if you go to one side of the hole you can take care of this when drilling out to the 14 size Incidentally the 14 is actually 182 This allows for you to gradually increase the size of the holes with the reamers to get a tight fit The letter of approval states the finished size should be accomplished with a 1875 reamer 3 16ths is the same size which would give a max tolerance of 002 This should give you a nice snug fit You will find that the bolts do not mic out to be the same size found them to have as much as 004 difference in a package of 30 Once you have drilled out a hole with the 14 drill ream up to the 3 16ths size BY HAND In order to hand ream with them you may have to put them in a small chuck Check hole with bolt for size before reaming to 3 16ths Once you have the correct hole size install bolt with washer top amp bottom nut and torque to 20 25 inch Ibs Repeat process until all are finished then reassemble stabilator This is for the IA s and A amp P s who like myself have wished there was only some way to properly see inside a wing without taking the skin off this is the answer We thank Dr Robert Bierenbaum for this Stabilator Trim Drum Par
14. established contact Don t worry should you get the positive and negative reversed it will not damage the lights But they will not work Simply correct the mistake managed not to make that one Knots2U explained that one to me before installation Make sure your wiring is secured properly test the light and then put the lens and wingtip back on Voila The installation took about three hours total for both sides The hardest part is waiting for night to see how they actually look You will be blown away hope this information has been helpful Knots2U was very thorough in explaining any installation issues and their customer support was great Best of luck to Comanche owners and flyers New 6 32 Old light being sce d b KS removed lock nuts with screw removed Spacer was needed here between rib amp ballast to match formed rib N cw 6 32 screws amp lock nuts Light and bracket assembly as shipped from Knots2l f Throttle Sticking Nov 2005 Q My throttle is increasingly difficult to move How can I correct this problem A The secret is to figure out how to get some lube into it My best method is to disconnect the cable at the carb fuel control pull it through the maze until it s fairly free and stick it straight up Safety it so that the MAXIMUM portion of the IES Chapter 8 Airframe 42 of 53 cable is pointed up Then use a good penetrating lube such as Mouse Milk and drip it drop by drop
15. gap seal was produced by Piper as part of an aftermarket airflow modification kit After there were a number of Vmc accidents Piper determined that there was a significant loss of rudder authority at slow airspeed because of air leakage through the gap between the vertical tail and the rudder Some aircraft have not had the kit installed or the rubber has deteriorated and has been removed Knots 2 U produces an aluminum gap seal that can be easily installed and looks a lot better than the rubber seal It can be installed on singles or Twin Comanches The reason to install the seal on a single besides the good looks is the added rudder authority which can be useful when performing a slip or recovering from unusual attitudes Stabilator Control Binding Aug 2004 Q have a problem with my Twin Comanche stabilator that so far hasn t been anything more than just annoying However feel anything that affects the smooth maneuvering of this beautiful machine in flight needs to be looked at When apply light pressure on the yoke to nose down this results in little or no reaction Increased pressure over a short period will give a pitch change but more than is needed This required pressure increases with speed It feels as if the elevator or pitch servo tab is binding although a close inspection by an IA of the entire system up to the point of dismantling the elevator column hasn t provided any clues While manipulating the control throughout its rang
16. in the old beacon hole does not meet the new requirements Also be aware that some of the wing tip modifications place the strobes inside a covered area that may prevent the strobe from being visible in all quadrants to the rear of your airplane This may require an additional anti collision light in order to meet the coverage requirements My PA 30 has the CometFlash strobes four pulses for each flash on the wing tips and tail plus the pulsed landing lights People say that my airplane twinkles at night know that you will see me coming at you will be able to see you IES Chapter 8 Airframe 33 of 53 Ppz Vd SYOUCUIOD JO MaIA aaIYyy Z I andy aono pS PA 24 250 8 2984 296 4 PA 4 190 INI IONNOBS JILYLS e ISQBHI X 3NIT31N324 TIVANYW S30LAH38 SHONVWOO Uadld IES Chapter 8 Airframe 34 of 53 Aileron Control Cables Oct 2002 from Maurice s Toolbox Jerry Irvin ICS 02241 past president of ICS The author called to say that on inspecting one of his Comanches he found that the aileron balance cables had cut their way through the phenolic guide block in the wings Please see the pictures and note the position of the cables When these pictures were taken the cable tension was 23 Ibs As have mentioned in the FLYER before the cable tension in our Comanches is not getting checked often enough The control system drawing for Jerry s Comanche is 21553 It covers 180 amp 250 s s n 103 th
17. into the free end of the cable While doing this intermittently or have a helper try to move it Usually it will start moving more easily quickly but at this point don t stop Continue dripping the lube and don t hesitate to let it soak overnight When you re happy reconnect it and go flying This procedure is a pain to do properly but it nearly always will work and work well Having said all this sometimes it will NOT work Only once however have actually had to change the cable out because it was totally frozen In that case pulled the frozen one out and threw it into my solvent tank Guess what The next morning it was loose as a goose The point is simply that they MUST be properly lubricated to work as they should Properly lubed they ll go for a very long time Aileron Trim Nov 2005 Q My airplane constantly requires aileron input to fly straight and level and my left aileron tab is bent all the way up What can do to get more aileron trim A This is a frequent problem of some of our older birds that have in most cases been damaged in accidents over the years Flap and aileron adjustments simply don t work The best way to fix this problem is to first zero out all flap and aileron adjustments Clamp the wheel into the straight and level position and adjust the ailerons for level flight Then have your A amp P fabricate an aileron trim tab like the one on the left aileron and install it on the RIGHT aileron Reduce the tri
18. latches and the hinges am sure that you did not neither did my mechanic or I It was in April a month after the annual when pre flighted the aircraft before a short local flight As you have guessed one of the cowling latches fell off and remained in my hand A closer look revealed that the hinge a clevis pin was corroded and worn around the contact points with the latch thought to myself If one is so bad what about the others It would be sensible to replace them all Two days later a new set of clevis pins arrived Not thinking too much walked to the grinding machine as the pin heads need grinding to allow them to go into position In my haste I did not pay attention to a small point The heads should be IES Chapter 8 Airframe 35 of 53 ground in one way only Of course did not think about it so some pins have lost the wrong part of their head Pay attention when you grind the heads You must grind it in parallel to the split pin that goes in the other end In the attached picture you can see one of the pins that were removed All were in the same condition Replace or at least inspect these pins before you lose your latches or your cowling becomes loose during flight Flight Control Rigging May 2004 Mike Rohrer ICS 13393 Another item that should be looked at is the rigging on the flight controls How many of you out there are flying with the aileron trim tab bent straight up How about the control cable ten
19. notice an almost indiscernible miliscrump of rotational motion of the torque tube relative to the hub That wasn t supposed to be An immediate check of the four bolts which secure the torque tube within the hub revealed no resistance to the torque wrench which meant the bolts were essentially loose I ll leave it to your imagination to envision how the aerodynamic forces acted on this little bit of rotational looseness in the fit of the torque tube within the hub to set up an excitation force to cause stabilator flutter After the fix no more downhill flutter at any speed within the operating limitations of the aircraft How this condition came to be is unknown I m under the impression that no AD or maintenance procedure requires the disassembly of these two parts Unless one had to replace the torque tube due to damage there doesn t seem to be any reason to disturb the original factory assembly don t remember seeing anything in TIP s nor did Maurice or WEBCO indicate this as something to check Therefore can only assume this has not been a problem in anyone s memory over the years With hindsight being 4 0 it makes sense to check the security of every interface no matter how unlikely when not finding a more obvious solution to a flutter problem But I m right there with all the experts in not thinking of this interface until the day the Lord looked down on me and took pity Loose Hi Shear Rivets Check them again Concerning AD 94 13
20. of the bellcranks to achieve proper cable tension and relative aileron position the clamps will have to be removed for each trial adjustment in order to gain access to the turnbuckles as it s a tight fit for most people s hands Typically these two turnbuckles must be adjusted by tightening one and loosening the other so that both ailerons align with the trailing edges of their adjacent flaps simultaneously One of these cables is routed to the control column in the cockpit while the other is routed to the opposite bellcrank Then when this has been achieved satisfactorily note the caution in the manual procedure re clamp both ailerons to align with their respective flaps and adjust the turnbuckles on the control cables inside the cockpit above the pilot s rudder pedals so that both control yokes are in proper neutral level position The co pilot s yoke can be made to match with the pilot s yoke by separately adjusting the two turnbuckles associated with the cross connecting chain between them Proper tension will also remove any sloppiness that may have previously existed Later model 260 s and all 400 s are also equipped with an aileron rudder control cable interconnect system A separate adjustment must be made on these aircraft to set proper spring extension per model see manual Also check to ensure that with full aileron deflection both up and down the bellcrank of one aileron goes against its stop simultaneously with the opposite stop
21. of the wings and a slight buckling on the bottom part of the fuselage in the spar area We would like to know if there are other 400 s being flown which have as many hours on it as ours and if any of these similar problems have developed Our engine was majored at approximately 1 800 hours and the new mags were installed We also installed new vibrators and upgraded all of the wiring Since that time the 400 has never failed to start Except in very hot weather or when the engine is very warm it will start on the second or third blade over similar to the 250 and 260 Comanches We are quite concerned probably like most 400 owners that our bird is getting old and that there is absolutely no replacement for it A Nobody knows yet how long a Comanche airframe will last know of some with 8 000 or 9 000hours on them that are still very sound All Comanches were manufactured with a coating of zinc chromate on the inside of all metal surfaces so you don t have to worry about serious corrosion from the inside The same is not true of all Piper airplanes or Cessnas or Beeches As for the paint around the rivets have been involved with the factory in an in depth study of the problem We found that a strictly minor corrosion around the rivets causes the problem We find it on other aircraft too of course When the paint was stripped the area was cleaned and alodyned and repainted the problem was solved The buckling on the belly doesn t sound at
22. original The final step in the plan was to design an adapter that would transition from the bolt hole spacing of for the larger diameter bottle brackets to the bolt hole spacing of the smaller brackets Figure 4 shows the new bottle brackets attached to the adapters IES Chapter 8 Airframe 44 of 53 AAA Figure 3 Figure 4 brought the local FSDO into the project from the very beginning They approved the submitted data for field approval and the new bottle and regulator assembly was ordered and installed with little difficulty The fittings from the old regulator had to be transferred to the new regulator The new regulator was fitted with a thermal discharge port and a short piece of aluminum tubing was fabricated to provide a discharge path in the event of thermal discharge See Figure 5 for the final installation Checking the Horn for Cracks Dec 2009 Kristin Winter ICS 15964 The first step is to take the stabilators off This can be easy or hard depending on the amount of corrosion on the surface of the torque tube between the two fittings in the stabilator halves If there is too much it may be necessary to remove the four bolts holding the inboard fitting to the Stabilator and let it stay on the torque tube for the moment Once the stabilators are off and comfortably resting on sawhorses or some other safe place what s left is easy Loosening the pitch control cable tension disconnecting the cables from the balance ar
23. the reason for it First what you are feeling is in all likelihood stabilator flutter It is serious the aircraft should be grounded until a cause is determined and fixed Having said that can tell you it isn t always easy to find that cause Here is my story My PA 30 would occasionally behave as described above if let the airspeed build on letdown to the 180 190 MPH indicated range know you don t need to let the airspeed build on letdown and to do so may be bad manners particularly if IFR with traffic ahead But neither should we be flying any airplane which wants to give you a massage at the upper end of operational speeds way below Vne Don t dismiss vibration in the yoke on letdown as harmless A slight back pressure on the yoke and a power reduction always stopped what was feeling but that is not assurance that nothing serious is going on didn t realize that at first Maurice set me straight that it was flutter I m not recommending that you take time to do this but if you did look back at the tip of the stabilator when you felt that vibration you would see the flutter This is serious Think disintegration when you think flutter My IA and a whole lot of unnamed Comanche people tried to help me with this problem over a longer period of time that care to admit You know who you are Thank you Yes read TIP s thoroughly did everything Maurice suggested at least twice drove my IA batty and gave our good fr
24. was about three hours excluding the driving around to stores By the way do not try this with regular solder it won t hold it securely enough Silver solder is the only way to go Binding Throttle Cables Ivan Warrington ICS 08405 The Gremlins have been at it again After a recent trip to Lubbock noticed that all the controls on the throttle quadrant were binding abnormally concluded that it was due to the 23 overnight temperatures in Lubbock Upon return to Dallas tubed all the cables discussed in a later article and they were still binding was sure that was about to install new cables Before this drastic measure was taken it was time to go to the mountain and talk to the Guru He told me that the hollow tubes at the engine end of the cables were bent Say What What barrels Here is how to find out if your cable barrels are bent Push all control levers forward Start at either engine any control Try to turn the barrel it should rotate easily on the cable Now move control to mid position and try again The barrel should turn as easily as it did before We re almost finished Now move the control to rearward position and turn barrel Did it turn as easily as the first two times It did well it ain t bent Repeat for each control Did the barrel bind in any of the positions It did well it s bent For repairs to be made the cable will have to be disconnected from engine Be sure not to move the turnbuckle Place the barrel on a sh
25. what made this article so important for other members to be aware of was that the aileron adjusting procedure as outlined in the Piper Service Manual started off by stating that one should first align the ailerons with the flaps at the trailing edge Thus one had to adjust or ensure that the flaps were properly rigged first But unfortunately the manual didn t include a sufficiently detailed procedure for such rigging on an aircraft equipped with IES Chapter 8 Airframe 11 of 53 manual flaps only for those equipped with electrically operated flaps My article describes an appropriate procedure for rigging manual flaps For general interest manual flaps are incorporated on all PA24 180 model Comanches regardless of model year and on all PA24 250 models up through s n 24 2843 model year 1961 After that time with the exception of the 180 s all Comanches were typically equipped with electrically operated flap systems Manual flaps are constructed differently with eight ribs compared to eleven are driven by a control rod at the inboard end rather than at the middle and are hinged below the centerline to achieve some Fowler type action to an otherwise plain flap in comparison to the semi Fowler action provided by the later type which rides aft as well as down on a rollered track Further manual flaps operate in three settings of approximately nine degrees each to a maximum deflection of 27 degrees Electrically operated flaps have no pr
26. wheelwell Put a 10 to 20 degree bend about an inch from the end of the wire and begin to feed the wire down the channel toward the wheelwell with the bent end down and aft When you meet an obstruction rotate the wire slightly and it will work its way around the rib so that you can continue feeding it After some gentle persuasion the wire will come out the 4 hole outboard of the wheelwell The purpose of the bend is twofold first to enable one to detour around ribs and secondly to make the slight jog in the channel about a foot from the wheelwell After attaching a small wire to the fishtape pull it back through the wing and out the end After several attempts to pull the pencil sized strobe cable back to the wheelwell with the small wire and getting jammed somewhere in the wing reversed the proceedure by attaching the fishtape to the wheelwell end of the small pullwire and feeding the fishtape back out to the wingtip while my wife pulled or the small wire Be extra nice to your wife she is indispensable on this project It is necessary to have a slight amount of tension on BOTH ends to easily maneuver the strobe cable down the wing Once the fishtape with the bend still present arrives at the wingtip attach the strobe cable to the end and work it back down the wing in much the same manner as the original trip using the bend to work around any obstructions until the cable reaches the wheelwell Route the cable around the wheelwell with Adel clamps
27. 3 liters per minute when set for 10 000 feet Using flow rates for different altitude settings provided for the A 4 Flowmeter and doing some conversions from cubic feet to liters constructed Figure 2 below to see how far 22 cubic feet of oxygen would go The last column in Figure 2 shows the oxygen duration using standard constant flow masks at two liters per minute With the Oxymizer s set to 10 000 feet could suck gas for 34 hours or four of us could use oxygen for over eight hours this seemed like a plentiful supply Cruise Altitude Users 10 000 12 000 14 000 16 000 18 000 2LPM Figure 2 OXYGEN DURATION Hours WITH 22 CU FT CAPACITY 1850 PSI using Nelson A 4 OximizerTM Oxygen Dispensers placed a call to Scott Aviation s technical support to find out which regulator matched the characteristics of the original installation These characteristics included input and output pressures flow rates and the actuating geometry The original 63 5 cubic feet cylinder and regulator assembly called out on the Piper Drawing 25432 is Scott P N 800112 12 Scott compared the characteristics of this original installation shown in Figure 3 to their new line of bottles regulators and recommended a bottle regulator assembly P N 895 09022 that included a 22 cubic foot capacity composite cylinder and a regulator P N 803214 New cylinder brackets P N 800644 00 would also be required because the new bottle has a much smaller diameter than the
28. AA has two Service Difficulty Reports regarding these cracks on PA 24s with the 02 and 03 brackets The reports have heard so far were also in the PA 24s It is unclear if this is a weakness in the part or reflective of how the aircraft is operated The only way to properly inspect these brackets is to remove the rudder If your rudder has never been off it might be worthwhile to remove it at least once in its service life to make an inspection of these critical components FES chapter 8 Airframe 46 of 53 IES chapter 8 Airframe 47 of 53 Booster Cables Jun 2011 Q Can charge a PA 39 through the booster cables A Don t do it have seen too many fires with owners trying to charge their batteries through the APU plug Some aircraft use a relay to pull the plug into the system That relay they use is for intermittent duty only five to 15 minutes duty time If they are left energized for over that time constantly have seen them overheat short and start electrical fires Lucky Louque A Short answer No Long answer you can but you must turn the battery master switch on and thus are powering the entire main buss at the same time which is usually detrimental to any automatic battery charger sensing the amperage required So you usually end up boiling the battery splashing acid all over the battery box decreasing the life of the battery if not killing it and you expose the other electronic components to d
29. C05 ICIN ov STARLET TEEL A We ER Pd AIF OAY T 2014 T2 CUL HRTTUR 4S A ERPAT Eeucice ZCi Tww Win Ko ST iwLE STEEL SECTION e www tatg FEPAIE INMTTL wee Come CARE t VIEW CRG INEO AT I rn ENGINE Mache COWELNG REMOVED Pec coorao Rl Fas of Fu oc o 2 3 TITLE Efitel 7 7 SEPA Rh 65uz 3 SCA 43 tm CEO RADIUS TC ecc nS CELE VIER 7s n a Cv d Cem mS juve 2i S REPAIR FILLER ve SCALE CAMAGEO AREA OF Na CELLE WEC 1 3 Z TRIMMED TO O s GIVEN POR or S REPAIR FILLER L REPAI DOUCLET w SCM FES chapter 8 Airframe 18 of 53 Seat Rails Cracked Stringers Seat Rail Bulkhead One of our members Eugene Chiappe ICS 07578 advises that he found the bulkhead cracked where the plate nuts are attached which hold the back end of the seat rails See A on attached drawing He made this discovery as he was changing some insulation in this area He told me that the previous owner had put in new carpeting and then mounted the seat rails on top of the carpeting This allows the rail to move every time a person sits on that seat The seat rail should rest on the floor panels with nothing in between The fix was the removal of the nut plates the cracks stop drilled a piece of 1 2 x 1 2 angle was applied to the full length underside of the bulkhead and the nut plates replaced want to thank Eugene for finding this potential boob
30. Flaps As many Comanche owners are already aware their particular airplane may seem to fly Chinese style One Wing Low That is it will fly this way unless the pilot maintains a slight but constant pressure on the control yoke toward the opposite side until fuel burn sufficiently alters the lateral loading Usually this shows up as a left wing low tendency Most pilots tend to compensate for this by using fuel from the left tank s first so as to equalize the lateral weight distribution with time Another way during flight is to adjust the aileron trim provided the aircraft is equipped with remote electric aileron trim capability such as with the Aerotrim However for Comanches not so equipped the only recourse is to re adjust the fixed tab on the aileron s Trouble is this tab does not readily take to resetting more than a couple of times And of course it cannot be altered in flight or for different conditions prior to flight each time The Problem IES Chapter 8 Airframe 6 of 53 My 1959 Comanche was no different and for years flew it this way keeping a slight roll pressure on the yoke And since 1986 had used the handy Aerotrim to keep the wings level while the ball was centered But what really disturbed me was the observation that with the wings level in flight the left aileron seemed to ride much lower than it should have for the amount of rise in the right aileron even considering that they are designed to operate di
31. Table 3 2 3 0 el Ftu 59 KSI The repair rivets are primarily MS20470AD4 per Table 8 1 2 b shear 388 Lbs Check 3 Doubler Thickness Calculate required thickness 65 59 x 0 050 0 055 The 0 063 thick 3 Doubler is acceptable Check Rivet Quantity Strength loss for 4 side 65000 x 0 050 x 4 13000 Lbs Rivets required 13000 388 33 5 or 34 rivets Strength loss for 7 5 side 65000 x 0 050 x 7 5 24375 Lbs Rivets required 24375 388 62 8 or 63 rivets Total required 63 34 97 total rivets Examination of the drawing shows this quantity is met Note that this method is conservative A realistic method is to measure diagonally across the trimmed out area This gives a length of approximately 8 thus 65000 x 0 05 x 8 388 67 This gives a Margin of Safety 97 67 1 44 Conclusions It is concluded that the repair detailed in 60 O00RO01 is structurally sound and acceptable Note CAR 3 624 b 1 suggests 0 015 Heat and Corrosion resistant steel to be acceptable The 0 025 301 1 2 hard stainless steel meets this requirement IES Chapter 8 Airframe 16 of 53 p vv the 9 firewall using the original firewall as a template Install using equivalent type fasteners Note Original mfr d from 0 023 galvanized 7 This drawing details repairs to the R H engine nacelle The outboard web was cracked at the upper outboard engine mount fitting attachment The firewall vas cracked at several locations 6 The
32. Tips from Comanche Flyer magazines Feb 1973 Sep 2012 CHAPTER EIGHT AIRFRAME CONTROL SURFACES TRIM SHEET METAL FLAPS GENERAL FUSELAGE Table of Contents MISCEIANCOUS E a EEA E aa e a a aer aee E EAE i 3 Electric Trim Toggle Switch Box Check ssssssssesessseeee nenne nennen eere en nee nennen nennen nenne 3 Droop Wing TIDS erisso 3 Droop Wing Tips Exchanged for Hoerner Tips P 3 PIPER YNI VIPS bed TE ETIE S c dM EE LM dei eue iEe 3 Nose Wheel Alignmeht 52 4 l astenets cen rx ERR 666 4 Twin Rudder Seal Strip Replacement ssssssssssssssssssssssee senem tnnt mener tn stesse 5 pevpccsm 5 Comanche AM ame A96 5 BELLO 6 Flap rhe 6 ai Q 6 Flap Maintenance caeron retener etta eoe Lenta a Le suctascualee nus Pee Horne Doe T re Tue RB EE 6 Rigging Manual Flaps 1 2 2 eco 6 Flap AliGnMeOnts T 9 BENE 9 Flap Maitena Cesise inea iaeia e aaa aaia aaia aa EEEa A EAA EEE DEAE ERER EE AA EA EI EE 10 Wing Mes rec aa EATE EEE E EREE antes EEEE 10 Wing Root Gap EL 10 DIDIT 11 Aileron Cable Separation by Corrosion sssssesssseeneeeenen enne enne enne nennen nenne enne 11 Alleron Adjustmient dr ictor tds e De rene de texere ero 11 Engine and Cowli
33. an increased chance now of losing the tail suddenly one day ED ICS Technical advisor said we have had a number of calls recently regarding a vibration in the tail stabilator tip s moving up and down in most cases at high speed however in two at relative low air speed This is caused basically by just one thing the stabilator is out of balance If the stabilator is painted or repaired it MUST be checked for proper balance All PA 24 s 26 s 30 s and 39 s were painted with lacquer If you use polyurethane it is approximately 20 heavier than lacquer There have been some cases where you can not get the stabilator balanced without removing the polyurethane because of the extra weight can not over emphasize the importance of having this checked Flutter of the horizontal stabilizer can also be caused by the stabilizer bearing block being loose See Piper SB 411A and 464 and AD 74 13 01 Stabilator Balance After experiencing a vibration we read of other people s vibration problems in the Tips Special Since we had just had a paint job we decided that a stabilator balance check was in order and boned up on the service manual procedures No problems until we priced the balancing weights called for First you can t find master check weights P N 23584 00 but that isn t a big problem since the manual gives the weight 1 58 Ib Second the balancing weights P N 23179 00 were quoted at 232 each Since the manual doesn t give any
34. and interfere with its movement Nuff said don t do it that way The preferable way to solve this little problem is to polish off the wear from the drum 7 and measure the slack between the drum and the oilite bearing 9 with your feeler gages Then very carefully and with proper support press the oilite bearing 9 out of the drum housing bracket 8 and place shims of the thickness you previously measured between the IES Chapter 8 Airframe 29 of 53 oilite bearing 9 and the drum housing 8 Press the bearing 9 back into the housing 8 and reverse the whole process In this way the bearing 9 will be displaced in the amount of the wear shim thickness and zero out the slop Then assuming that you ve attended to all the other wear points bolts bushings and rod end bearings you will end up with a snug tight trim system Identification Numbers refer to Fig 38 in Parts Manual Screw amp Stop Assy 10 Do Not place Loose Shims here between Drum and Drom Housing Bracket Assy 8 Lower Screw Stop 6 Sketch IS NOT drawn to scale IES Chapter 8 Airframe 30 of 53 Wing Spars Spar Cap Tension Around 1964 while was in the Calgary Piper dealers shop was watching a mechanic starting to remove the left or right main gear side brace support P N 20760 00 or 01 to install a new bushing When he backed off the flange bolts that went through the fitting and the lower spar cap noti
35. are currently placarded by AD to fifteen degrees max for take off If cleaning the tracks and lubing the rollers doesn t solve your problem check the retract springs to see that they are hooked up and not broken Flaps are retracted by springs only and not by the flap motor Flap Maintenance When flaps fail to retract properly the retraction spring may be weak On my 1962 Comanche the flaps would not retract all the way on the ground In the air there was never a problem The air loads on the flaps are such that the flaps are always returned into the up position The flap retraction spring Part No 83302 40 are in most older airplanes the original and have very little tension left B model Comanches used a stronger spring Part No 83302 54 the same as on the Twins Replacing the spring will usually prevent a flap hang up It is also advisable to lubricate the flap drive under the rear seat have seen some very dry ones Flap Maintenance Dupont Slip Spray 6611 is called for in the Piper Service Manual for lubrication of flap rollers and tracks for aircraft with metal flap rollers Rollers and tracks on aircraft with nylon rollers require no lubrication Dupont has discontinued production of the 6611 lubricant but a direct replacement is now available from Av Pac Order Av Pac Part No 60133 Teflon Dry Lube 6 17 Earlier model PA 24 180 and PA 24 250 manual flap hinges call for standard MIL L 7870 lubricant Rigging Manual
36. are required to be removed for the annual inspection If you don t know which to remove ask your technician and if he doesn t know call me The maintenance manual has a picture of panels to be removed The paint shop can paint these panels off the airplane suggest removing these panels so that when it comes time to inspect your airplane the technician doesn t ruin the finish when he she removes the screw and panels use stainless hardware when install the panels and it makes for a nice looking airplane This includes painting the cowling off the airplane as well suggest painting the inside of the cowling white as it makes it easy to see the engine compartment and helps to see oil leaks Now back to the bearings The big problem is that the bearings do not get covered and in time fail due to the stripper This includes the wheel bearings and races Great care should go into paint preparation This can save you lots of money and grief down the road Replace Clevis Pins to Preserve Cowling Attachments Dec 2003 Ben Ayalon ICS 14048 One of the design advantages of the single Comanche is the minimal effort that is required to open the cowling and inspect the engine However this feature is also a weakness point Think about it How many times have you opened and closed the cowling during pre flight How many times did your mechanics do the same when they were working on your aircraft Have you ever spent a second thought regarding the cowling
37. arious problems 1 The two bolts item 1 on the drawing which are AN175 C33A Piper 2502 343 for the 180 250 and 260 and AN175 33A Piper 2402 346 for the 400 and PA30 39 which hold the stabilizer horn to the stabilizer tube were badly rusted where they go through the inside of the tube 2 The one bolt item 2 on the drawing which is AN174 22A Piper 402321 on all models which attaches the stabilizer horn to the stabilizer balance weight tube should also be checked 3 The two bolts item 3 on the drawing which are AN24 464A Piper 400 932 that attaches the collar to the torque tube were also badly rusted where they go through the inside of the tube 4 The four bolts item 4 on the drawing which are AN1 74 C324 Piper 502 329 for the 180 250 and 260 and AN175 C32A Piper 502 342 for the 400 and PA30 39 were changed to corrosion resistant bolts IAW Piper S L 667A dated 3 4 74 The bolts removed from Mr Cameron s 180 were AN175 33A noncorrosion resistant bolts The parts book now calls for AN175 C33A corrosion resistant bolts in the 180 250 and 260 but not specified for the 400 and the twins sent a request to Piper that this be changed and they have now advised me that the bolts can be interchanged so use the AN175 C33A on both the 400 and the twins The torque tube on this aircraft was also badly rusted cannot over emphasize the importance of checking these parts and have been informed by Piper
38. arter of an inch at the bulkhead We remedied the situation by putting doublers on both sides of the bulkhead and riveting new rivets through both doublers and the bulkhead itself re riveting the motor mount bracket It is my suggestion that Twin Comanche owners should make this a definite portion of their inspection This can be done by removing the square plate which is on the nacelle and observing with a mirror and a flashlight Twin Cracked Engine Nacelle During the annual inspection on my Comanche a crack was discovered inside the right engine nacelle The crack was located on the Outboard Engine Nacelle Bulkhead in the upper corner where the bulkhead rivets to the Firewall and where the upper engine mount frame bolts to The crack was approximately 3 inches long and had separated horizontally about 1 2 an inch Additionally the resulting vibration caused a crack in the Firewall itself from where the lower engine mount frame attaches to the Firewall to the area where the Cowl Flaps bracket is attached to the Firewall The crack in the Firewall necessitated the replacement of the Firewall The repair of the Nacelle Bulkhead was performed by Midcoast Aviation As you can see by the enclosed analysis and diagrams it was necessary to cut away the damaged area install a stainless steel filler and a stainless steel doubler to complete the repair Since this damage was very difficult to see strongly recommended that the inspection plates on the
39. ation that is However it is excellent to see so much more on the ground at night and of the runway environment on approach for landing The difference is startling And they look really cool too always a bonus feature Installation can be performed by any AP It is fairly straightforward Here s the basic summary but always defer to your AP for any installation issues Remove the wing tips to expose the landing light area Be careful pulling out the Plexiglas lens as mine was a little brittle from age The four screws holding the existing bracket all have a nut on the back Remove them and install the new bracket HID light combination Screws and lock nuts are not provided but 6 32 SS machine screws with locking nuts worked fine for this Next the ballast should be attached to the outer wing rib A small point here The wing rib is formed and not flat We had to make a small spacer in order to properly mount the ballast We used a simple aluminum tube cut to length around the mounting bolts and that worked very well don t know the exact bolt size or length Again you will need to supply your own bolts and nuts for this IES Chapter 8 Airframe 41 of 53 The existing positive and ground are then connected to the ballast was told knife connectors are best but we used male female type connectors Knots2U told me you should make sure the harness between the ballast and the light are firmly pressed into place to make sure you have an
40. attention of the FAA Must really be a hell of a good spar Before purchased my 1972 260C checked these fittings on both spars and found no such condition both fittings fit the spar properly Check yours Tips for easy Inspection of the Wing Spars became the owner of N7949Y a PA30 200 Miller conversion Twin Comanche in March of this year Ownership has been less than a pleasure with multiple problems being discovered after a prepurchase inspection that the airplane supposedly passed with flying colors On the trip home from New Jersey to Las Vegas Nevada there were engine problems that necessitated overhaul of both engines which will be detailed in a later story On inspection of the airplane at my home base of North Las Vegas Airport by Don Brady Chief Mechanic at Aerleon Don recently found that there was oil canning of the right wing and left wing with the tip tanks filled Oil canning for the uninitiated is producing the sound of an oil can with pressure and release of a wing segment of with lifting and lowering the wing from the top Oil canning can indicate abnormal tension on the wing skin and may be indicative of a cracked or Stressed spar or stringer or may show suboptimal riveting of the wing skin to the spar and stringers Maurice Taylor stated that mild oil canning was not of concern but significant oil canning may be of concern The suggestion was made that the skins would need to be removed to examine the spar and string
41. but fortunately while the aircraft was on the ground His plane was parked outside with the control wheels tied together to keep the ailerons from going from stop to stop A call from the airport alerted Ed to the fact that the ailerons were banging back and forth His examination showed a broken aileron cable which was rusted in two just aft the wheel well area This should have been discovered more than one annual back At the seminar in Hamilton Ontario an A M engineer brought with him an aileron cable which was eaten almost in two As remember he found this on his first inspection of a member s aircraft Again this should have been found prior to that inspection It is my feeling that we have three areas which are most susceptible to cable corrosion These are just aft of the wheel well between the wing and fuselage and under the floor near insulation which may get wet and is therefore slow to dry out Inspecting an airplane properly is no easy job It takes time alertness and dedication on the part of the person running the inspection Aileron Adjustment Last year published an article describing the problem and an appropriate procedure for adjusting the flaps on a Comanche Rigging Manual Flaps As noted in the article what brought this on was a condition that always seemed to result in the ailerons being displaced from their proper streamlined position while in flight re rigging was required But the problem in doing so and
42. ced that the spar cap sprung away from the fitting about one thirty second of an inch or more This showed that the spar cap was under considerable tension and to my opinion it should not be The mechanic was not concerned and having no interest of ownership of this aircraft this was let go did prevail on the mechanic to slack off these same bolts on a later serial number Comanche and the spar did not move or spring away This gave good reason to feel that the problem was poor manufacturing on maybe only a few PA 24s serial numbers around 1800 to possibly 1950 Two years later purchased a well cared for low TT NDH Comanche 180 S N 1889 1960 model When checked this fitting on it found the same condition i e the spar cap was under heavy tension After some phone calls to the Piper factory and letters describing this condition got little if no concern from the factory representative did run across a mechanic who noticed this condition on an aircraft he was working on He just elongated the three holes that the bolts went through into the spar web but admitted that because the fitting did not fit the spar properly there was still some tension on the spar cap even ordered a new side brace support but it did not fit any better My solution to this was to make a proper fitting shim to go between the fitting and the spar cap which relieved the tension wonder how many Comanches are the same And why this was never brought to the
43. clean the clutch material with a brake cleaner product available from most auto parts stores If the unit requires new clutch material you ll need to call your favorite A amp P because it will require taking the control cables loose to remove the unit for the repair Make sure the IES Chapter 8 Airframe 40 of 53 cables get blocked before loosening to prevent the cables from coming off the forward and or aft cable drums that will make for a very bad day 4 Other possible causes Cable tension is incorrect making the load on the motor high Aft cable drum bushings not lubricated or adjusted correctly again a motor load Trim tab hinges not lubricated or are worn Many of these suggestions may apply to installations other than the stock Piper trim system hope these things are helpful for you Xenon Lights Provide Serious Illumination May 2005 Andrew Foster ICS 14236 am not going to buy those thousand dollar lights am not going to buy those thousand dollar lights am not going to buy those thousand dollar lights Then how on earth did this box with Knots2U printed all over it arrive at my door Honey where did that box come from Ours is a 1961 PA 24 250 that have had the privilege of owning and of course maintaining with the help of a partner for the last five years Like most Comanche owners we take great pride in a fabulous machine We like all of you have had numerous projects updati
44. ctlywith the wing This fillet is attached at both the side and forward ends by screws with captive nuts through slotted and access holes The flaps must be fully extended to access the side hole Observations It is interesting to note that when the control rod end bearing is detached from its bellcrank bolt the flap is free to swing from above its zero reference to almost vertically down Attempts to give just a little more flap extension will be to no avail since at the 2 degree tolerance limit it is the rod end bearing bolt that touches against the flap load spar not the rod or any part of the flap So set mine at 28 rather than 27 degrees which was still within limits and allowed some clearance Since cables do stretch after a lot of use and flap rigging is necessary prior to aileron rigging it is probably a pretty good bet that every manual flap Comanche needs this type of attention if it hasn t been properly done for some time It is easy to do by one s self by following the above procedure also recommend that the opportunity be taken to ensure that the flap up locks on both sides are in good condition and are adjusted properly See SL 360 for additional references The procedure for adjusting the electric flaps is similar as to the use of a bubble protractor but while the procedure is outlined in the Service Manual it is a little more complex due to the use of limit switches and indicator IES Chapter 8 Airframe 8 of 53
45. de somewhat There are two methods of aligning the nose wheel One is to use a jig which is especially fabricated for the purpose the other is by the chalk line and plumb bob method As many of you would not have access to the aligning jig will deal with the latter method here With no load on the nose wheel check the clearance of the steering rollers to the steering bell crank These bushings should rotate with a slight drag and have very little clearance If clearance is excessive correct it by fitting the appropriate oversize roller These are available in sizes 0 625 D 0 687 D 0 812 D and 1 0 D This cannot be emphasized enough It is very important that this clearance between the steering bell crank and the rollers be checked while the airplane is on the ground with normal weight on the nose gear DO NOT ADJUST THIS CLEARANCE WHILE THE AIRPLANE IS ON JACKS Place a suitable length of bar across the nose wheel tunnel resting on the forward edge of the fuselage skin below the nose wheel drag link hinges Measure from the inside lower wall of the nose wheel well on the right hand side 5 and tie a plumb bob weight to the bar at this point Measure 0 5 to the right of the rear tie down point and attach a plumb bob weight at this point Mark a chalk line on the floor using the plumb lines as reference You now have the true center line With the rudder pedals clamped in the neutral position adjust the steering push rods to align the nose whe
46. e stabilizer horn to the stabilizer balance weight tube should also be checked 3 The two bolts item 3 on the drawing which are AN24 464A Piper 400932 that attaches the collar to the torque tube were also badly rusted where they go through the inside of the tube 4 The four bolts item 4 on the drawing which are AN174 C324 Piper 502 329 for the 180 250 and 260 and AN175 C32A Piper 2502 342 for the 400 and PA30 39 were changed to corrosion resistant bolts with Piper SL 667A dated 3 4 74 The bolts removed from and owner s 180 were AN175 33A noncorrosion resistant bolts The parts book now call s for AN 17 5 C 33 A corrosion resistant bolts in the 180 250 and 260 but not specified for the 400 and the twins sent a request to Piper that this be changed and they have now advised me that the bolts can be interchanged so use the AN175 C33A on the the 400 and the twins To identify the bolts see the drawings Stabilator Looseness Problems There are four bearing blocks with five hi shear rivets in each block that support the stabilators to the fuselage This subject is covered in SB 411A and 4644 as well as in AD 74 13 01 and AD 75 27 08 There should be no looseness at all in the stabilator The method of checking this on every pre flight is clearly shown in the Comanche preflight video as well as on page 3 of 3 in SB 411A As recall have had only three calls regarding a loose rivet in this area although there doubtle
47. e forward of the stabilator and LOOK and THINK The balance arm forward of the stabilator is carefully balanced by adding or removing weights Static balance of the control surface IS essential first was briefed on the consequence of failure to maintain this balance by Maurice Taylor who was placed among us to keep us and the Comanches alive listened carefully to each word and went directly to Bill Turley s shop for work that did not trust myself to do then went out and nearly killed myself and my Comanche on a test flight to Vne plus 10 A few words need to be said about Comanche airplanes at speed approaching or exceeding Vne hope Comanche owners will consider them in the spirit in which they are presented Keeping alive is high on our list for how else can we keep these airplanes flying hope you will pull the inspection plate off your airplane We will assume stabilator static balance is perfect as can be Move the stabilator up as for entering a dive and again down as for a climb Now position it about where it will be when trimmed for cruise Notice that movement of the stabilator causes related movement of the linked trim tab If the plane is trimmed for cruise positive pressure will be required at the control wheel to enter a dive and you will have to pull to make it climb The amount of pull or push you exert relates to amounts of force necessary to change angle of attack of a surface in aerodynamic balance for level cruise fl
48. e on the ground there is a suggestion of a bind at or near the midpoint of travel wanted to hear your thoughts before we go any further A This is a problem that can occur with any Comanche in our fleet not just the twin since the control systems are all basically the same The symptoms you mention are similar to those others have experienced However it may feel more severe in the twin because of the additional weight of the aircraft and the heavier feel of the controls One member described it as a distinct double motion in the pitch control A little push pull was met by resistance that was overcome by force that freed the control Then the cycle would repeat It was especially annoying on landing Another advises he has seen a problem like this which turned out to be the pitch servo drum binding on its shaft when the autopilot was disengaged To troubleshoot he suggests unhooking the servo bridle cable for an inspection Other causes can be improper tension or lack of lubrication in the control cables and pulleys or a worn trim jack It is a condition that needs to be corrected but the cause should not be too difficult to pinpoint with a thorough inspection Comanche 260C Engine Mount Dilemma Oct 2004 Q I m in a quandary My 260C is grounded because of an intolerable wait for parts to complete some engine work New engine mounts are needed and I ve been told there would be at least a six month wait for delivery What
49. e set stops and go to a maximum of 32 degrees on the 250 and 260 and to 38 degrees on the 400 So once the flap systems are correctly rigged as outlined in my article for manual flaps and in the service manual for the electrical type THEN one can proceed with aileron rigging The procedures are outlined in the service manual and are applicable to all model Comanches But a few hints may be in order It is first necessary to construct the gauge used to set the aileron bellcrank control rod The dimensions for this gauge are shown in the service manual It can be easily cut out of stiff thin cardboard or aluminum sheet used cardboard The same gauge is used for both wings simply turn it upside down for the opposite wing and save it for future use With the gauge in place and the bellcrank positioned as shown in the manual remove one end of the control rod and through trial and error adjust its length so that the trailing edge of the aileron aligns with the trailing edge of the retracted flap Next using a bubble protractor similar to that described in my previous article adjust the aileron bellcrank stop bolts to achieve the aileron up and down travel limits described in the manual for the specific model type 180 400 s have different tolerances from 250 260 s Then with the ailerons externally clamped in neutral position welding or wood gluing clamps similar to large clothes pins are handy adjust the two cable turnbuckles attached to one
50. efore dug out the service manual and connected a length of clear plastic pipe into the airflow as per the manual and with a little water in the tube measured the pressure It was 1 25 inches where the manual says that it should be a minimum of 1 5 inches On the other hand the voltage was using for the blower motor was only about 11 5 volts from a small sealed lead acid battery then went back to the plane and removed the new combustion air switch brought it home and tested it found that it would not trigger until 1 25 inches instead of the specification 0 4 to 0 6 inches I think that the case of the pressure switch may have become distorted in me shipping it home There is an adjusting screw on it so reset it to 0 5 inches as per the manual On re installation all now works fine What was happening is that ram air at low altitudes was bringing the air pressure above 1 25 inches but was not doing so at altitude until put the nose down and started the descent at higher indicated airspeed Obviously if the air pressure switch requires only 0 5 inches of water pressure and the pressure is 1 25 inches with low supply volts and no airspeed then there is plenty in hand when in the air with ram air and with higher supply volts with the engines fired up have found that it is relatively easy to remove the pressure switch and test it using a length of plastic tube and some water generated the test pressure by raising the free end of the tube s
51. el Now loosen the bolt where the old broken off piece of cable is still attached Remove this and insert the new cable Again be careful not to over tighten as this acts as a guillotine and can cut the cable Warn your A amp P about over tightening this bolt Make sure the cable is straight when the cowl flap is in the closed position because if a slight bend or bow exists it will gradually break just like mine did Here is a good time to inspect the cable on the opposite engine There was a bow on my other cable which took out by adjusting it Make sure the return spring is still on the cowl flap mechanism Also check this at annual time If one of your cowl flaps is much harder to close than the other it is usually due to the spring breaking or because it is missing A really enterprising person could get a piece of piano wire of the same diameter as the cable and sweat the old wire out of the handle and replace solder it back in it the same way If you do this with your old cable you ll have a spare TWIN COWL FLAP CONTROL CABLE REPLACEMENT Having just read a recent issue of the Flyer about replacing the cowl flap control cables on the PA 30 thought would suggest an easier way than he encountered IES Chapter 8 Airframe 13 of 53 Mine is a 1964 PA 30 and I have replaced both cowl flap cables One broke and had to solve the dilemma quickly and as cheaply as possible removed the old cables from the aircraft by d
52. el by sighting down the chalk line Do not adjust just one rod end but divide the adjustments amongst all four ends ensuring that the threads do not extend beyond the check holes in the rods When you have the nose wheel aligned adjust the pedal bar angles to 13 aft of the vertical Measure 20 either side of the chalk line a line intersecting with the nose wheel contact center point on the floor Check that the nose gear turns 20 left and right but not more than 25 If it turns more than 25 check for broken steering lock stops on the nose gear housing Allowing travel of more than 25 causes the rudder stops to contact and strains the cables and pulley attachments Having done this the rudder cables will have to be re tensioned In the next issue will cover the alignment of the rudder and main wheels with the nose wheel Fasteners recently replaced all the Southco fasteners on my 65 PA 30 cowlings and another mechanic learned the following tip Since the slot in the fasteners is actually concave you can get a much better grip on them if you dedicate a proper size screwdriver and grind the blade so that it has the same concave shape as the Southco fasteners This should reduce their deformation boogering them up considerably IES Chapter 8 Airframe 4 of 53 Twin Rudder Seal Strip Replacement Regarding the airflow modification kit P N 76C 409 which was installed on most PA 30 s at the recommendation of NASA to imp
53. engine nacelles be removed and using a flashlight and a mirror examine the area where the bulkheads fasten to the Firewall If someone should find similar damage they can reference the repair to the repair Midcoast has performed and possibly save them the cost of a DER inspection Nacelle Structural Analysis IES Chapter 8 Airframe 15 of 53 Introduction This report provides the structural analysis for repairs detailed in Midcoast Drawing 60 000R001 Repair R H Engine Nacelle Structure The aircraft is a Piper Twin Comanche Model PA 30 The damage consisted of cracks found in the outboard nacelle web and on the firewall The repair replaces the firewall and trims out the damaged section of nacelle web Analysis Firewall the original firewall was manufactured from 0 023 thick galvanized steel The 9 Firewall is fabricated from 0 025 thick 301 1 2 hard stainless steel From Jorgensen Steel Handbook galvanized steel sheet is 1596 low carbon steel alloy Per Machinery s Handbook 21st edition page 2120 the Ftu 65 KSI max For 301 1 2 hard stainless steel per MIL HDBK 5D Table 2 7 1 0 b Ftu 141 KSI By comparison it is obvious that the 0 025 stainless steel is acceptable Nacelle Web Approximately 4 x 7 5 section was removed from the web see 7 Repair Filler The bulkhead is 0 050 thick 2024 T3 bare aluminum Per MIL HDBK 5D Table 3 2 3 0 bi Ftu 65 KSI The 3 Repair Doubler is 0 063 thick 2024 T3 alclad Per
54. ers The way that was suggested to do this was to remove the rivets on the skins and directly examine the spars and stringers This would be somewhat costly so with some thought we came up with an alternate way to examine the entire wing There are inspection plates on the rear surface of the wing at about every two to three feet We were able to borrow a flexible fiber optic colonoscope and a light source With the colonoscope Don was able to carefully examine the spar and stringers and each rivet internally on the wing Don was able to comfortably examine the wing from below without removing a single rivet and see that the oil canning was not of concern We were able to save several thousand dollars of expense in removal and replacement of rivets by using the flexible fiber optic scope IES Chapter 8 Airframe 31 of 53 Strobes Wing Strobe Installation Jack Becker ICS 12815 Having recently purchased a pretty much original twin Comanche C wanted to install wingtip strobes Not having the faintest idea how to run the cables emailed the Comanche headquarters with a help request and promptly received a phone call from Maurice Taylor who quickly got me on the right track Following the instructions received this is how accomplished the rather frustrating task thank you for your help After removing the wingtip locate the small U channel just aft of the spar Using a common fishtape or long enough stiff wire to reach the
55. f what am about to relate applies to you single Comanche owners that still have the rotating beacon or only a single strobe light on top of the fuselage Those of you that fly twins with the beacon on top of the vertical fin or singles that have fin mounted lights or supplemental wing tip or belly mounted strobes can stop reading now and turn the page The Piper PA 24 Comanche was first certificated on June 20 1957 using the requirements of the old CAR 3 dated November 1 1949 including Amendments 3 1 to 3 12 At that point in our regulatory history anti collision lights were not required for night flying Effective August 10 1971 FAR 91 required anti collision lights on airplanes that fly at night The IES Chapter 8 Airframe 32 of 53 original red rotating beacon that was certified by Piper still meets this requirement And if that is all your airplane has you can continue to fly at night as long as you can continue to get parts to keep the old Grimes or Whelen beacon going around The problem is that when you replace the old rotating beacon you must now meet the FM requirements of several publications Start with FAR 91 205 c and FAR 23 1397 plus 23 1401 A good summary of the requirements is contained in Advisory Circular 20 30B Aircraft Position Light and Anticollision Light Installations The bottom line is that the location on top of the fuselage will not provide proper light visibility in any quadrant Specifically the rules requi
56. fferentially more displacement on one aileron than the other to help compensate for the effects of adverse yaw And by moving the yoke to cause the left aileron to line up with the trailing edge of the wing the other aileron was not lined up properly and visa versa This indicated that either the ailerons their control system or the flaps were out of proper rig or maybe all were Note It is sometimes common practice to adjust the zero setting on one flap slightly different than the other flap to help compensate for a rolling tendency did this with my Cherokee years ago But even with this the ailerons should still match up with the trailing edge of the wing at the tips Moving the yoke to line up the ailerons while on the ground resulted in a similar displacement Time to re rig The Solution Referring to the Comanche Service Manual for the recommended aileron adjustment procedure it said as was to be expected to set each aileron so that its trailing edge matched lined up with the trailing edge of the associated flap when in the fully retracted position Obviously since mine didn t it required that the rigging of the flaps be checked first But the manual does not state where the flaps should be when in the zero degree fully retracted position It just uses the word neutral whatever that means Remember this is for the manual flaps that are on all 180 Comanches and on all 250 Comanches up through S N 2843 model year 1961 After
57. from Webco and then turn them on a lathe to size The first choice is easy and somewhat cheaper It would be nice if one had the specs on a bushing so that you might get a machine shop or friend with a lathe to turn you the part for less than Piper Aviall or even Webco who are usually the cheapest game in town As Pat Barry points out the specs and wear limits for the landing gear bushings are in the AD or the accompanying Service Bulletin And some other parts are described such as the roller bushings that interface with the landing gear bell crank as mentioned For the most part however the dimensions of bushings in the Comanche and there are several are only described in the Piper Manufacturing Engineering Drawings One good thing that has been happening in recent years in aging aircraft is that the FAA has become much more understanding of owner produced parts In recent years have had to replace many parts on my Twin Comanche that were NLA or No Longer Available from Piper or anybody or there was an indefinite waiting period until they collected enough orders to make another batch of them made my own nose gear tent when Webco the only vendor who had been selling them temporarily lost their supplier Almost every aircraft owner know has a number of owner produced parts in their Cessna Bonanza or Piper aircraft You can contact Piper and see if they will supply you with the specs you need for certain bushings It never
58. ggins is still in business and they hold the STC for both the boots and the alcohol prop system understand that they have no parts and don t support it any more but you should call them and inquire If they don t support the system then the STC can be revoked after a complaint to the FAA So you might hold their feet to the fire over this if they are not prepared to make parts for you and your customer learned that when Piper built a Twin Comanche and the customer wanted deicing capability they took the aircraft to Wiggins for them to install the system Piper never obtained approval for a deicing system of their own for Comanches and to the best of my knowledge it was only done under the Wiggins STC Pat Barry Tail Ballast on a PA30 May 2012 Q Is there an easy place to add tail ballast on a PA30 A Yes on the floor of the baggage compartment You are allowed to add weight in any form baggage lead bars etc Anything aft of that requires an approval and a new weight and balance However there is little benefit gained because if you then have back seat passengers and or heavy items in the baggage area you will probably have to remove the added weights You are better off keeping it simple and just adding 100 pounds to the baggage compartment which you can remove anytime you wish Pat Barry A Years ago when flew my Twin Comanche a lot with no passengers and no luggage on short business trips purchased four 25 pound bags
59. he placement of washers and don t let the flap swing free when the bearing is detached It may take more than one try but the bolt has to be reinserted each time Adjust both flaps as necessary Place the flap handle in the flap fully extended position and again measure the flap deflection angle with the bubble protractor as before The difference between this reading and that at the leveling point should be 27 2 degrees If not within these limits or if fine tuning is desired adjust by altering the length of the control cable This is done separately for each flap via the turnbuckles under the rear seat There is one for each side aft of the juncture with the common cable from the flap handle After adjustment ensure that both turnbuckles have no more than three threads exposed on each side and that they are properly re safetied by using new safety wire with at least four turns around each shaft Retract and re measure the angular setting of both flaps Then if desired set the flap handle to each of the other settings and measure both flaps Intermediate settings should result in near 9 and 18 degrees after subtracting tare but may vary from this due to wear of the notches in the flap handle ratchet It is not critical and both flaps should be similar Record all measurements for future reference Lubricate if necessary But before replacing the wing root fairings adjust the fillet between the wing root and fuselage so that it lines up perfe
60. here is a fresh air duct in the luggage area Could you give me some information regarding the value of this duct and can it be removed and the opening closed A The fresh air duct should be the exit for the cabin air air comes in through the vents in the cabin and air must go out somewhere If you close it you should only do so as with any alteration with a field approval But if you do so how will the cabin air vent from the aircraft Pat Berry Vertical Fin Replacement Sep 2011 Q In 2007 we discovered a small crack in the vertical fin attachment during the AD 75 12 06 inspection At that time we were granted a ferry permit to take the plane to Jack threadway at Flight Vehicles in Houston texas and he repaired it by enlarging the stress relief hole this year we found the crack has reappeared and is larger called Flight Vehicles and found they are no longer in business called Paul New at tennessee Aircraft and he thought he could fix it if we could ferry the plane there but the FAA denied the ferry permit the AD states repair or replace with unused parts before further flight We have been unable to locate new parts for either the entire assembly 20749 0 or the part with the crack 20749 04 We live in a small town on the North carolina Virginia border and have been unable to get a DER to come and look at the problem so my local A P removed the vertical fin attachment assembly and we are trying to find someone who ca
61. here something available from Piper or are there some aftermarket options A Piper never had shoulder harnesses for the Comanche during the years it was produced However that doesn t mean you shouldn t have them now and we are fortunate to have aftermarket options IES Chapter 8 Airframe 39 of 53 In 1984 a shoulder harness kit had been designed and an STC was issued to Kosola and Associates Inc located in Albany Ga They have a front and rear seat option and the front seat option is available with an inertia reel You can find their advertisement in the Comanche Flyer and you can call them toll free at 800 4KOSOLA 456 7652 or e mail them at kosola att net In early 1995 Piper designed shoulder harness kits and prepared a service bulletin No 980 showing kits for all Comanche models Piper considered compliance mandatory but the kits were not available A lead time of 28 weeks was indicated and it s possible that no kits were ever produced The prices quoted were 873 17 for front seats in the PA 24 180 250 and 894 78 for the PA 260 PA 24 400 and PA 30 The price for the 3rd and 4th seat kits was 404 80 We don t know of any Piper kits that were ever installed In 1999 a simpler and less complex kit for front seat shoulder harnesses was designed and an STC was issued to North Platte Aero Lenny Spall ICS member and owner of a 1958 Comanche 250 had designed the kit with a partner and later bought the STC in the name of h
62. hurts to ask Piper has been recently acquired by a new owner who professes to be user friendly and they recently sent out a letter saying they were committed to supporting our aging aircraft You might give them a chance to prove that Dave Clark Cowl Flap Repair Sep 2012 Q Can an A amp P repair an elongated hole on a cowl flap Or does it have to be sent out to a repair station A The cowl flaps are made of 2024 T3 Aluminum are heat treated to T43 and are not weldable The correct repair would be with a doubler that will remove the strain on the holes This way you could use aluminum or even steel as the doubler material since the support is taken up by the rivets that you will have drilled to hold the doubler in place Since you are suffering wear you might also consider whether or not the two supports are evenly adjusted so that the cowl flaps have equal support on both sides Any mechanic can install the doubler which have described Pat Berry IES Chapter 8 Airframe 53 of 53
63. ice He wanted 55 for one of these used cables which was the whole assembly Next remove the cable insert from its housing on your new replacement cable and don t lose the small ball bearing which is the friction lock Clean off the cable and gently straighten out any kinks at the end Don t cut into it with pliers as it is fairly soft material Now file the tip to make it rounded so it will pass easily through the housing Finally lubricate the wire with silicone lubricant or the like Remove the old broken cable from its housing but don t discard it more about that later Next push the new cable through the opening in your panel and gently but firmly coerce it the twelve feet or so out to the engine Occasionally you ll have to twist or rock it in and out a little to get it all the way If you hit a snag just when you think you are almost all the way through take off the inspection plate at the top of the engine nacelle just above and behind the fire wall Loosen the clamp that holds the cable housing and pull the housing back into the rear compartment This will straighten it out enough to let the wire pass the final sharp curve Once the cable is through replace the housing back in place and tighten the clamp Here is the only place the manual tells you how to adjust the housing clamp See page 2D23 in service manual Make sure you re install the tiny ball bearing friction lock on the handle as you push it the last few inches into the pan
64. iends at WEBCO a shot at it To conserve space I m not going to list everything that was checked or replaced but take my word for it we tried to leave no stone unturned However we found nothing definitive where you could say that is IES Chapter 8 Airframe 26 of 53 the problem Unfortunately spent considerable bucks replacing some stuff including the torque tube bearings which in retrospect probably didn t need replacing What was the culprit One day took the tail cone and the fuselage inspection cover off and was doing what seemed like and others had done so many times before i e going inch by inch over everything both internal and external which could possibly bear inducing stabilator flutter My eyes seemingly providentially happened to fall on the culprit The stabilator torque tube the tube that runs through the tail cone and joins the left and right stabilators is secured by four bolts within what call a hub located in the tail cone think the PA 30 parts manual calls the hub the horn if I m reading the diagram right The fore and aft balance arm to which balance weights and control cables are attached is secured in a receptacle on the forward side of the hub horn The problem was that the stabilator torque tube was not secure within the hub Sometime in the past the torque tube had started to work every so slightly rotationally within the hub discovered this by being fortunate enough to
65. ight at that airspeed and power setting This force translates to either positive or negative loads on the stabilator These aerodynamic loads are not in balance unless the aircraft is trimmed in and out of each pitch change At low speeds the imbalance is of no importance At speeds approaching or in excess of Vne the aerodynamic imbalance produced by forced pitch changes from the trimmed position is far in excess of any static imbalance we check the balance arm for and will result in heavy buffet of the stabilator The message comes through loud and clear Trim the airplane for pitch change at these speeds Make every effort to avoid this never never speed but if you are caught in it don t manhandle the airplane was lucky The Comanche is a well built airplane to which probably owe my survival A Brand X most likely would have disintegrated This high speed stabilator buffet is not characteristic of the airplane and ordinarily is induced by control pitch input by the pilot have talked to a number of people who have enjoyed the type of ride had The worst characteristic have found is not in the airplane but is in those of us who fail to recognize the loads we can place on the airframe Note the drooped and warped stabilator failing from heavy negative loading and heavy buffet from aerodynamic imbalance produced by high speed pitch change without corresponding trim We have to learn from these shared experiences Vne speeds demand absol
66. ill assume it is the standard Piper elevator trim system and not an aftermarket or part of an autopilot installation There are a number of reasons the electric trim will act this way 1 The switch is malfunctioning The switch reverses the polarity on the two terminals at the trim unit which changes the direction of the trim unit motor To check for proper switch operation connect a volt meter across the two connections at the trim unit and operate the switch The voltage will go from a plus 1 2 vdc to a minus 12vdc when the switch is positioned nose up then nose down It is possible for the contacts in the switch itself to be bad or dirty giving you that random operation 2 The trim unit is failing Usually the motor and drive mechanism in these units are pretty tough and don t fail When they do fail they don t do it randomly So don t think this is your problem 3 The clutch material is worn out or contaminated with lubricant At one time the wear material was available from Piper Very often these days the clutch material has gotten contaminated with ACF50 or CorrosionX or a similar chemical that is applied to protect the airframe This causes the trim unit clutch to slip under a load causing the unit to work at random Listen for the motor to operate while watching the trim handle for movement Motor operation without trim handle movement is a good indication of clutch slippage If this happens it is sometimes possible to
67. ils In the March 1992 Flyer we discussed cracks in the bulkhead under the pilots and copilot s seat rails where the carpeting had been placed between the seat rail and the floor allowing the seat rail to rock had queried Piper about this and received a drawing from them showing the seat rail mounted to the floor boards with nothing in between Since then have learned that some of our airplanes may have come from the factory with the carpeting mounted between the seat rails and the floor Perhaps this was a cost reduction item am receiving many calls regarding the damage that this is causing If yours are installed in this way strongly suggest that you get the rails down on the floor boards where they belong and inspect for cracks Remove whatever is necessary to do this But if you do not remove the carpeting from under the seat rails plan at one of your next inspections to remove both side panels take up the floor boards which in itself is no easy task and repair the damage Then install the seat rails as shown in the drawing and this problem will not reoccur This will require the completion of a Form 337 and FAA approval to return the aircraft to service have included an extract from Piper drawing 26652 See opposite page showing the correct installation of the seat rails IES Chapter 8 Airframe 20 of 53 Stabilator Balance Trim Corrosion Flutter Stabilator Balance now have a new more serious problem and
68. information on these weights that could have been a big problem However a quick call to ICS turned up a complete set of weights at Air Salvage of Dallas 214 227 1111 for 30 Two weights balanced the stabilator nicely using the service manual procedure For information the balance weights P N 23179 00 are 2 x 1 1 4 x 1 16 with a hole in the center for a close fit on a 4 bolt The weights are steel primed and painted and will weigh about 3 4 ounce each While we had the plane on jacks we adjusted all control cables for travel and tension adjusted the slide blocks around the control yoke tube and adjusted the landing gear the left main was not going quite all the way into the well As a result our Comanche is flying great We recommend everyone pay attention to the control cable tensions especially in the twins since any slack in the rudder cable will deny full rudder travel IES Chapter 8 Airframe 21 of 53 Stabilator Balance have had a twenty year love affair with the PA 30 It is quick efficient well built and just plain pretty However this gives no license to ignore some plain aerodynamic facts of the design The airplane will perform exactly as the pilot tells it to within design limits Like some other pretty things if mistreated it will bite A Comanche demands certain respect and understanding Comanche owners can understand the airplane better if a few minutes are taken to remove the inspection plat
69. irty power from the battery charger possibly causing other damage especially to microprocessor controlled items All this can be avoided if you simply remove the battery from the aircraft set it on the bench and charge it It is easy to access just remove the nose boot cowl and remove the cover on the battery box Remove the negative cable first Clean the box out with baking soda and water to neutralize the acids return the charged battery to the box connect the negative cable LAST Don t ever jump the aircraft and try to go fly with a dead battery It can cause total electrical failure Zach Deice boots Jul 2011 Q I own a 1969 Turbo Twin Comanche with Robertson STOL and Miller Conversion would appreciate any information on aftermarket deice boots for this airplane and approximate costs A Unfortunately there have never been any pneumatic deice boots approved for use with the Robertson high lift kit Hot prop boots are available for the Miller modified aircraft with the IO360 engines and current pricing for those should be available from Hartzell Zach AMOC Jul 2011 Q Regarding AD 94 13 10 does an AMOC exist that allows compliance without cutting access panels in the rear fuselage If so what is the contact information A AD 94 13 10 refers to the stabilator wobble test Basically it is an inspection to determine whether there is movement no movement in the rivets which hold the box frame to which the stabilator is a
70. is because the flaps on all Comanches are retracted via a spring and cable arrangement which is separate for each flap The result can be an asymmetric flap situation which will cause a significant roll moment IES Chapter 8 Airframe 36 of 53 On twins it sometimes fees like an engine failure It is for this reason that touch and go s are not recommended in our Comanche s particularly the twins Early model aircraft with hinged manual flaps still have the spring retract mechanism but do not have tracks to get dirty or bind When you landed it simply jarred the stuck flap loose Inspect for wear and clean the flap tracks and lubricate with dry silicone Janitrol Heater Problem Apr 2004 The following is not in the traditional Q and A format but rather an explanation by European member David Buttle as to how he solved a problem with his Janitrol heater in his PA 89 Twin Comanche The heater would not work except at low altitude checked the heater out on the ground and found that it did not work on the ground but does in the air at low altitude The cause of it not working was that the combustion air switch was not triggering on the combustion air naturally then suspected that the combustion air blower was not giving enough flow since this is the only part that was not renewed last year brought the blower home and tested it on the heater that removed last year The pressure switch in it did detect the airflow okay ther
71. is company PV Aero A rear seat kit was added about a year later Prices are 450 for either the front seat or the back seat kit If both kits are purchased together the total price is 800 Lenny can be reached at 816 210 4829 or by e mail at leonard spall aa com From our experience the Kosola kit is a bit more complex takes longer to install and requires opening the headliner It also requires several rivets through the upper skin of the fuselage to complete the installation In the photo 10 rivets for the Kosola kit have been added to the top quarter of the fuselage above the back of the right front seat The rivet pattern is such that it almost looks like an original installation The PV Aero kit leaves the headliner intact and takes less time to install The kit includes a No 10 AN bolt that penetrates the fuselage Some members may object to the appearance of the bolt head but others don t find it distracting since it is a low profile saucer head only about twice the diameter of existing rivet heads There is no inertia reel available but many users prefer the straight adjustable harness Electric Trim Feb 2005 Q I am experiencing problems with the electric trim on my 260B It works sometimes but not always It is rather random working in the nose up direction but not in nose down Other times it works the opposite no nose up but good in nose down Then other times it will not go either direction What s going on A w
72. is to have your IA do a Form 337 field approval and see if your FSDO will sign it off prior to proceeding with the replacement The usual replacement yokes have been off a Chieftain or Navajo series because the tube is the same size as the Comanche cannot speak for the Aerostar Let me say that while these replacements have been popular they have not always been successfully carried out did see one on a PA24 260 where there was play in the yoke When test flew the aircraft the yoke wobbled and while the play was minimal it was impossible to keep the plane straight and level recommended that the owner change back to the original design Pat Barry IES Chapter 8 Airframe 51 of 53 A installed Navajo ram s horn yokes on a PA30 about 10 years ago and got a field approval on my 337 from our FSDO haven t done any since do not know if the Aerostar yoke is the same diameter or not It would be best for you or your mechanic to ask your FSDO if they will approve it before you do anything Cliff Wilewski Wiggins De Ice Boots Mar 2012 Q have a PA30C with de ice boots installed The system was STC d by Wiggins Airways The aircraft arrived in my shop as a project with the boots installed and everything else scattered Does anyone have the drawings or any information regarding the installation and operation also have an alcohol antiice system with no information available Any help would be very much appreciated A Wi
73. isconnecting them forward of the firewall and pulling on the cowl flap handle inside the cabin until the entire cable had been removed from the cable housing then placed each handle in a vice and heated the tip with a blowtorch pulling on the cable until the wire separated from the handle The original installation has the wire crimped inside the handle you have to pull hard and sweat it out Then visited a good hardware store in my area and bought for about 5 a roll of piano wire of the same gauge visited another store and bought silver solder cut the new wire to a length about a foot longer than the length of each wire removed for a safety margin and then silver soldered each piece into the handle using a vice to hold the handle in place and silver solder to hold the wire in the handle securely then fed the wire into the cable housing in the aircraft with pliers in my right hand feeding the cable six inches at a time lots of hard effort and applying grease with my left hand as it went in to the housing didn t need to remove the top of the nacelles as David did simply applied the effort on the pliers at the entry to the housing and with the benefit of lubrication the cable went through even around the last turn through the firewall Once all the way through simply cut the wire to length screwed the cowl flap holder to the wire and the job was completed Total cost was about 20 or less and the total time
74. it then this is a lubrication issue and that is a different situation entirely You would just remove the wire and lubricate it the way that described above Pat Barry A If you decide to replace the entire assembly the part number is 454 116 and the Aviall price is 425 09 You might find a better price somewhere else I think it would take a full day s shop labor for just one cable as the interior side panel has to be removed as well as several phenolic support blocks and a few Adel clamps The PA30 service manual has the instructions for rigging the cable and is fairly easy P S Don t lose the little BB in the handle s friction lock mechanism Tim Talley A We sell salvaged cables but most cables we remove from aircraft are old and tired and really deformed on the ends just like yours don t recommend a salvaged cable do recommend the new cable wire as described earlier Before you try IES Chapter 8 Airframe 50 of 53 to feed it in the old housing put the end against a fine emery wheel and knock the edge off of it to where it is just a little tapered and rounded on the end then lubricate the housing ahead of the cable and then insert the new cable Working it back and forth will usually feed it right on through with little problem The rounded end will help it around the corners and bends in the existing housing Lucky Louque A First of all agree with everything that has been written above There are a couple of other fac
75. ithout wing screw holes and the tinnerman back plate for IES Chapter 8 Airframe 3 of 53 the nav lights So if you order you should order a tinnerman nut plate also Although not the same as the original still believe the Met Co Air tips are better looking probably more efficient and they cost 55 per tip Nose Wheel Alignment It is most important that the ground and flight rigging of your Comanche complement each other Does your aircraft become decidedly squirrelly or skip and swerve at the transition period of ground run to full flight This would be noticed more likely in a no wind still air situation where you would expect a smooth transition into flight If you do not attain this expectation it is likely that your aircraft is not rigged correctly It is most desirable that your aircraft runs straight down the runway with all the wheels and the rudder in line with the longitudinal center line of the aircraft As the flight surfaces become effective they should not be not trying to force the aircraft in one direction while the pilot is trying to steer the aircraft in a straight line down the runway The first step in ground rigging the aircraft is to jack the aircraft and get it horizontally and laterally level We start by getting the nose wheel to run a true line with the center line of the fuselage The important thing to note is that the nose wheel of the Comanche does not set on the true center line but sets to the right hand si
76. m and removing the balance weight only takes a few moments It can take a little longer to push three of the four long bolts holding the bearing blocks to the aircraft The fourth cannot be pushed into the empennage without removing part of the rudder trim mechanism found that the rivet gun with a long broad pin punch attachment worked well to drive the bolts out of the bearing blocks Once the torque tube assembly is out of the aircraft the horn and balance arm need to come off the torque tube After removing the light surface corrosion and any point outboard of the bearings the bearing blocks should slide off with little trouble Two clevis bolts hold in the stop assembly and two hold the horn to the torque tube The stop assembly is not a tight fit so should come off easily One of our local Comancheros Don N9089P had an excellent suggestion for getting the horn off the torque tube Clamp up one end of the torque tube in the bench vise with the balance arm horizontal to the floor Place a heat gun set to blow on the aft side of the horn from a couple of inches away After a few minutes the horn will expand and loosen its grip on the torque tube When it does the arm will swing down with a thud The horn and balance arm should slide off the torque tube at this point Any paint on the horn should be removed with stripper and MEK before performing the dye penetrant check The assembly can be repainted after being put together for grea
77. m from the left aileron to no more than 35 to 40 degrees with 10 to 15 degrees on the new right aileron tab and go fly It ll take a couple of flights to get it properly adjusted Remember that the tab flies the aileron and not the airplane Also NEVER bend a tab more than about 40 degrees because at Comanche speeds it is aerodynamically stalled if bent more than that Be sure to have your A amp P IA properly inspect and authorize the minor mod in the aircraft log Upgrading Supplemental Oxygen Will Lighten Your Load Sep 2006 Chris Burns ICS 9680 For thirteen years hauled around a 35 pound oxygen bottle attached to my PA 30 As my family grew increasingly looked for ways to cut empty weight so that could haul the additional payload without sacrificing fuel Lightweight starters and alternators helped nip away at the empty weight So did a huge box of excess wiring that removed during a panel modification When my son invited his 180 pound roommate for our 2003 Thanksgiving trip to the Bahamas looked at the large green steel cylinder behind the baggage compartment and decided it had to go Figure 1 Nelson A 4 Flow Meter Give up my oxygen This seemed like the simplest solution and the cheapest Most of my flights are flown between 8 000 and 11 000 feet not exactly nosebleed territory But over the years using supplemental oxygen has reduced my fatigue at the end of a full day of flying and has helped me feel better the
78. n make a new part to replace the one with the crack the drawings we received from Piper are not adequate to build a new part and they will not give us the complete drawings but we believe the original part is in good enough condition that it could be replicated The drawings do indicate the material for the parts Can you recommend someone who could make a replacement part A The best suggestion that can make since you ve exhausted many of the logical avenues is to get a replacement part from a salvage dealer there are two twin comanches with their tails at Hollister calif so perhaps they can provide a suitable part Also Aircraftsman at chino calif makes parts they do a lot of insurance rebuilding and may be able to help you the owner s name is Mark Wilson Pat Berry Sticking Flap Sep 2011 Q Why does the right flap sometime stick down and not retract after takeoff but will on the ground A The track rails are probably dirty they are under the wing towards the front of the flaps Sometimes pilots will grease or oil these with the incorrect lubricant and all that does is help them to accumulate dirt and grime they should only be kept clean if they have the nylon rollers Dave Fitzgerald A tTe roller may also be frozen or the track worn causing it to bind under air loads this is more of an issue if the brass rollers are still installed Zach Grant IES Chapter 8 Airframe 49 of 53 Data Plate Location Nov 2011
79. n control and may increase cruise speed When landing at max weights on that 1 500 ft strip on a gusty day need all the help can get Droop Wing Tips Exchanged for Hoerner Tips Recently did two things to my Comanche that some of the members may have an interest in Several months ago removed my droop tips and installed the Hoemer tips from Met Co Aire The exchange was done on the same day and the aircraft flown under as near identical conditions a couple of hours later with the new wing tips The previous owner of 8016P had installed the droop tips and told me that he realized slight improvement in stall speed but not any noticeable increase in cruise He did indicate that handling was improved in both turbulence and at slow speeds When put on the new Hoemer tips noticed an increase in stall speeds of several knots The handling also seemed to be a little crisper than with the droop tips hope to write a more detailed letter with performance figures sometime in the near future To my knowledge this is the first comparison between the droop tips and the Hoemer tips on the same aircraft on the same day As far as am concerned the droop tips do improve handling but the Hoerner tips are slightly better and to me at least more attractive PIPER Wing Tips have noted several requests from the ICS members for information on standard Piper like tips which are made of fiberglass Many tips come bare with the nav light holes but w
80. next day also consider supplemental oxygen an essential for night flying determined giving up supplemental oxygen was not an acceptable answer considered a portable seat back bottle but decided against it because a built in system is totally out of the way until it is needed and IES Chapter 8 Airframe 43 of 53 then it is always available even if you were not planning on needing oxygen So rather than chuck the built in oxygen capability altogether the search was on for a lighter built in oxygen supply that would provide adequate support for my type of flying Oxygen supply and delivery has changed since the birth of the Comanche Oxygen cylinders have evolved from the need for thick walled containers to lightweight aluminum containers wrapped with high strength carbon fibers Flow rates for on demand supplemental oxygen have also dropped dramatically by using delivery devices like the Nelson A 4 OximizerTM shown in Figure 1 Scott Aviation now AVOX manufactures a line of Kevlar wrapped aluminum cylinders and regulators known as their 895 series that is a direct replacement for older units studied the weights and dimensions of these units and found that a 22 cubic foot bottle could be mounted between the existing fuselage mounts for the larger steel bottle With a full charge of oxygen the 22 cubic foot cylinder weighed just 7 8 pounds Would 22 cubic feet of oxygen provide enough supply The Nelson A 4 OximizersTM use just
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82. ng a 40 year old jewel think to truly appreciate any airplane a certain amount of time has to be spent fixing it Without the ICS Webco Ron and John s Comanche service and all the other valuable resources we have keeping these planes flying would be very difficult Most recently installed Knots2U Xenon Lights and thought would share my experience with you Their Web site can offer you the specific technical data but there are some high points for us layman The HID lights draw only 2 5 amps apiece compared to the 7 amps for the GE The bulb life is an incredible 5 000 hours They do have a nice warranty lifetime which will be longer than am around as long as you own the plane The warranty does drop to five years if the plane is sold after installation The HID lights for the Comanche come pre mounted in a bracket that will fit exactly into your existing holes very nice They can be left on during all phases of flight If you burn one out KNOTS2U will replace it for free as long as you own the airplane The lights cost 550 a piece plus shipping They are FAA PMA approved and Knots2U has an STC for installation in all the Comanche models And of course the best thing about them is how they look bright bright and bright It was explained to me that the light is truer to normal sunlight through an excited Xenon gas The end result is that these lights put out some serious illumination which can always use more of Illumin
83. ng bell crank assemblies and install if not already there flap stop plates on both bellcranks Piper Kit 754 413 per SL 360 IES Chapter 8 Airframe 7 of 53 10 11 12 Back out both leveling screws on the side of the fuselage above the baggage compartment door about 3 16 and place a straight edge across these screws A carpenter s framing square is good for this as it easily remains in place Place the protractor on this straight edge and rotate the ruler with bubble level until the bubble is centered Record the angle indicated on the protractor for reference mine was 6 degrees Then after determining the appropriate measuring place on the flaps as described previously place the protractor on the flap fully retracted and again adjust the rule until the bubble is centered Record this reading Do the same for the other flap These retracted flap readings should equal the leveling point reading plus the requirement of 13 0 degrees If not the flap s must be adjusted To adjust the flap the control rod must be either shortened or lengthened by rotating it Unfortunately there is no way to get any type wrench on the holding nut at the forward rod end bearing This necessitates removing the bolt from the rod end bearing at either end found the inboard end the easiest and once loose it took only 1 1 2 turns of this rod end bearing to change the zero flap setting by the one degree mine required Just be sure to note t
84. o that the water is forced to run toward the pressure switch thus pressuring the line between the water and the switch Stabilator Control Problem May 2004 Q heard a story about a Comanche in the United Kingdom that crashed a few years ago due to a mechanical malfunction that resulted in the loss of stabilator control Is this true And if so what exactly happened A The airplane was a Twin Comanche that belonged to member Ron Nunn Ron was on a test flight with his mechanic when the aircraft suddenly pitched up and began shaking violently By pulling off power and both pushing forward on the yoke with hands and knees they were able to get the nose down They landed gear up in a rough field Ron and his mechanic survived but the aircraft was destroyed It was discovered that the stabilator trim tab arm bolt and nut were missing The aircraft had just had its annual inspection IES Chapter 8 Airframe 37 of 53 That bolt has become widely referred to by the European Tribe as Ron s Bolt and confirmation of the bolts presence has become a part of the preflight inspection by most European Tribe members It would not be a bad idea for all ICS members to add Ron s Bolt to the checklist Rubber Gap Seal on Rudder May 2004 Q At a recent fly in noticed that many of the Twin Comanches have a rubber seal at the front of the rudder while others do not Is there a reason some Comanches have these seals and others don t A The rubber
85. o the rear spar and wing skins agreed that that was a terrible job so didn t replace the tracks Until this year that is when intergranular corrosion was found in the left outboard track My mechanic and discussed the situation and basically prepared for an all day job of deskinning etc To make a long story short however by removing the false spar just outboard of the track assembly a lightening hole in the rear spar is exposed allowing you to buck the rivets easily Total time for the job winds up being an hour or so including the removal and replacement of the false spar This may be old news to really experienced Comanche mechanics but it s apparently not universally known so thought I d pass it along to those dreading replacement of worn track assemblies Wing Miscellaneous Wing Root Gap Seals So you say you want to put on new wing root gap seals So you pull out the old one real easy and get the feeling that Piper put the seal on before they put the wings on the fuselage you re right Then you get the uneasy feeling that putting on the new one will be tough you re right again But there is hope The seal is a four flange seal Two flanges grip the wing skin and two lap against the fuselage one up and one down Don t despair Go have a good Chinese dinner and save the chopsticks Chinese chopsticks the round smooth kind will help quite a bit Now get a big tie wrap i e one that is about 3 8 inch wide and 12 inche
86. of lead shot which took to an upholsterer to put them in bags that matched the d cor and had handles sewn on them to make them easier to grasp At the time thought they helped my landings when the plane was that empty Later didn t feel like needed them Dave Clark Making your Own Bushings Jul 2012 Q I am replacing a number of bushings on my Comanche and I would like to know if someone has the data sheets on various bushings used in our airplanes so that could make my own A don t know of any source for the specifications for individual bushings Webco has bushings that you can buy or you can try Aviall Flightline or API in the Southeast If you are talking about landing gear bushings then they are identified in the service manual and their wear limits are listed in the gear AD and accompanying SB If you are looking for tail bushings then Webco has them Pat Barry IES Chapter 8 Airframe 52 of 53 A agree with Pat Piper did not publish that data in the Service Manuals make a lot of my own bushings for my TC but they are pretty much engineered on the fly and made to fit Not infrequently they are modified to accommodate a situation where worn parts or structures would not allow an off the shelf bushing to work as intended In some situations such as the roller bushings on the steering bell crank you don t have much choice but to either make your own from scratch or buy some approximate over sized ones
87. of the bellcrank for the other aileron and vice versa Do this before safetying the turnbuckles If your turnbuckles are the type that uses the small wire clips instead of the often very difficult to wrap safety wire these can be easily removed by prying off from the center hole in the turnbuckle with a screwdriver or pliers If done with care they can be re used after re shaping Note however that the slot the wire clip slides into exists on both sides of the barrel at both ends as indicated by little notches but is only along one side of the screw portion This side is marked by a small indentation of the edge of the eyelet This allows for half rotation adjustments but is important to observe beforehand or you may end up spending hours trying to insert the safety clip where there is no slot Finally be aware that control surface adjustments are not part of authorized owner preventive maintenance Work under the guidance of your cooperating mechanic or inspector as he will have to ensure that the adjustments are done correctly safetied and make the appropriate logbook entry Then go out and fly straight and level for a change IES Chapter 8 Airframe 12 of 53 Engine and Cowling Controls Twin Cowl Flap Control Cable Replacement By David R Clark ICS 08592 A P As you may notice practically nothing of what I m going to tell you is in the Twin Comanche Service Manual Recently at the end of a beautiful flight to Fayetteville AR
88. one incident a serious accident was barely averted when the trim shorted in the nose down mode and the pilot was unable to lift the nose for takeoff He ruined two tires aborting takeoff and going off the end of the runway Please get the word to our members to check the insulation inside of the toggle switch box on the wheel The cable was apparently rubber and 14 years old in the sunlight Droop Wing Tips installed a set of droop tips on my 400 and took them back off got mine from McAllen TX Before removing the original tips ran careful tests in smooth air on clean stalls power on and power off dirty stalls power on and power off cruise speeds and top speeds then some take off and landing roll tests The droop tips were then installed and all the above tests run again at the same weight and on the same day then flew the airplane in and out of our 1 500 ft strip for a week then put the original tips back on and again ran another series of tests The end result was little or no change in stall speeds less than 2 mph and a slight decrease in top speed could tell no difference in take off and landing roll however ground effect was a little more noticeable The only distinct advantage was better aileron control at minimum speeds shipped them back and got a refund about four months later do not recommend them plus they don t look very good may try the Hoerner type tips as two of our members have told me they helped ailero
89. or through the aluminum stiffeners with grommets and some tiewraps into the fuselage through the existing grommet that has some wires already in it just behind the spar elected to mount the power supply on the shelf just behind the 5th and 6th seats A phone call to Whelan produced the advice not to run the cables next to any GPS antenna cables In as much as was removing original Narco radios for a new avionics package suitable wiring to get 14v from the panel switch area to the shelf was already there and ready for use in its new purpose ordered an original landing light rocker switch to fit the panel from Avpac to use for the strobes and relabeled it While not quite as easy as it sounds it is a do able project and hopefully this will help someone accomplish it Twinkle twinkle little Airplane where are You Larry Clark ICS 10059 A amp P I A Today the nighttime sky is filled with the flash of strobe lights The strobe has been one of the best safety devices that has come along in years It provides much higher light output and is more attention grabbing as compared to the old red rotating beacon Most of our single engine Comanche airplanes came from the Piper factory with a single Grimes or Whelen rotating beacon mounted at fuselage station 161 on top of the fuselage just aft of the baggage compartment The 260 models after 24 4804 had a Whelen strobe as factory standard mounted in the same location atop the fuselage All o
90. ort piece of two by four or anything straight and turn to find the high side Take a hammer and slightly tap the barrel to straighten Now try the cable in all of the fore mentioned positions better huh How did the barrels get bent in the first place Well l m going back to the mountain real soon to find out Gremlins maybe IES Chapter 8 Airframe 14 of 53 Cable Barel Cable End ENGINE END CABLE Twin Cracked Firewalls Twin Cracked Engine Nacelle We are the owners of a Twin Comanche The purpose of this letter is to relate what might have been a very serious structural failure in our airplane but fortunately we discovered it in time to remedy the situation fly the airplane almost entirely myself and for that reason am more sensitive to any changes in the airplane than would usually be the case Recently noticed that in taxiing in on the slow idle was getting an extremely rough right engine On careful investigation and a run up with the cowls off found that the trouble was where the motor mount bolts to the fire wall and where the bracket to which the motor mount is bolted which is riveted to the vertical bulkhead in the nacelle Either due to not having the motor mount tight or to some excessive strain on that part as a result of the fact that the motor mount itself did not perfectly fit the alignment a crack had developed on the vertical bulkhead for about six or seven inches and the crack had opened up about a qu
91. ou remove the wheel well liner and is located on the front of the mechanism that rotates when you lower the flaps The flap rod end connects to this mechanism also Simply loosen the two screws and remove the stop It looks like this A small rat tail file can elongate the holes somewhat so that the stop can be slid further inboard Reinstall the stop and your flaps will now lower as the tongue has a greater travel to push the locking pin out of the way Frant View IES Chapter 8 Airframe 9 of 53 Flap Maintenance Older Comanche flaps were mounted using steel bushings which were eventually replaced with P N 26343 00 nylon bushings The steel bushings vibrated on the aluminum tracks and wore a widened area in the front of the slot resulting in a sloppy flap In extreme cases you can see the trailing edge of the flap fluttering in flight I m told replaced my steel bushings with nylon immediately after purchasing the plane Nevertheless my outboard track assemblies were worn but not too badly So when an opportunity arose to pick up a pair of new track assemblies P N 23227 03 did so However was then told by three mechanics that it was a terrible job to replace them the upper wing skin had to be peeled back to buck the rivets in the rear spar In fact saw one airplane where they tried to avoid this by replacing only the aluminum track by drilling out the rivets holding the track in the steel angles that rivet ont
92. pulled on the cowl flap controls only to have the left one come out about three extra inches This soon found out was due to the cable breaking off just proximal to the attachment bolt just in front of the firewall Because of the spring mechanism this automatically returns the cowl flap to the closed position The next day back at home base discovered that the cable with the handle still attached to it will remove easily from the housing by simply pulling it out through the panel side A conversation with Maurice Taylor confirmed that a new cable could usually be fed back in through the same route This greatly relieved my fears as had envisioned having to tear the floor out etc to replace the entire cable assembly Here is the drill Establish that you have a broken cable Remove the left side engine nacelle it s on the left side on both engines See where the cable comes out of the firewall and attaches to the cowl flap control mechanism It s obvious if it s broken First locate a suitable replacement cable insert could not find anybody selling this part separately and Av Pac tried to locate one also without success Even they realized their price of 196 for the whole assembly seemed too much for what needed Again Maurice Taylor to the rescue He located a cable assembly at Dallas Air Salvage which is about a 30 minute drive from my hangar A very knowledgeable fellow named Lucky had 8 or 9 of the cables and lots of good adv
93. re that the light be visible from 30 degrees above to 30 degrees below the level line of the aircraft Some blockage by the aircraft structure is allowed rudder antennas wing tips etc The worst blockage of the rotating beacon is directly ahead of the airplane Any airplane approaching you head on will not see your beacon if he is slightly below your level flight path The forward fuselage cabin blocks the beacon totally to any aircraft in front of you and lower Walk out in front of your Comanche and imagine that you are another pilot flying toward you at night Can you see your beacon or strobe In fact when tested the fuselage mounted beacon location there were no azimuth angles that permitted the light to be seen at 30 degrees below level The best was 20 degrees directly left and right of the rotating beacon three and nine o clock positions The top of the fuselage is fairly wide and flat even at station 161 The answer to this problem is simple Install more lights A belly mounted rotating beacon or strobe will cover the blocked areas Wing tip mounted strobe lights will also provide proper coverage to the front and sides If you are considering adding additional lights recommend that you get a copy of Whelen Engineering Co installation and service manual and read pages 2 and 3 to learn more about what is an approved anticollision light system that is covered under several STC approvals that they own Just sticking a strobe light
94. repair detailed in this drawing is applicable to a Piper Twin Comanche Model PA 30 and was developed for N 30 958 IT IS A MFG OPTION TO RUBBER STAMP P N ON EXPOSED SURFACE OF PART APPLY ONE COAT OF ZINC CHROMATE PER MIL TTP 1757 OR EPOXY PRIMER PER MIL P 233770 ON APPUCABLE PARTS CHEMICALLY CLEAN ALL SHEET METAL PARTS PER MCPS 300 01 AND CHEMICALLY TREAT PER MCPS 360 02 BREAK ALL SHARP EDGES MATERIAL PROCESS AND METHODS SHALL COMPLY WITH PERTINENT FAA AC NO 43 13 1 ANO 2 SPECIFICATIONS OR EQUIVALENT GENERAL NOTES DESE TONCA DATA amp ME OESIONS OrSCLOSEO MEEN ane Wt CICLUSIVE PROPERTY OF MOCOAST MANON SEPRACES AC OF CONTAN PTET ay ICs OF OMENS ant not TOBE USED On O SILOSEO TO OPI MTOA Ii wm TTC CONSENT OF AMOODAT MANON SECES mc PE OME or mes COCUMENT av 78 ETUHTOM amp USE AOPELS TO HOLD i CONPIOECA DE OSICA Oa L APO OEDONS CONT Am FOPEGOPI SAL MOT APIS Y TO PERSONS Hie POPE TAY FONTS TO SIIO FECAL Dala OF SUO OE SION TO Tt EXTENT Meat Suc mots Ons IES Chapter 8 Airframe 17 of 53 eO MEPA RIVET LOCATION I uST u 20470 D4 AFPRCX AS SHOWN Maw TAIN Zs DIA moust EGGE DIST Siua ENGNE r FATTINC BEA TALL EMCINE MOUNT PE 7 i TG waite j geteng ee MS 10470 0 Rivet Tee n LB CC ae PICK UP Eni z TING LOCATE IN RECML PARTS INSTA UL ml120470AL Rivit TYP 1 PLACES 1S ELLE VIS s PAIR FI j Era ecules oe 7 pepe ANGLE ZE TIDA A A 0
95. rough 2843 amp for 180 s s n 2844 up Drawing 23029 is for 250 s s n 2844 amp up The pictures are of Jerry s 180 s n 2219 however he checked another 180 s n 1939 and found it to be OK He also checked a 250 s n 3470 and found it with the same problem as his It s my strong advice that all Comanche owners have their control cables checked for condition and proper alignment Also checking for proper tension will make it easier for you and the autopilot to fly Paint Stripper Problems Dec2002 Mike Rohrer ICS 13392 need to cover another area concerning the article about paint stripper getting into the torque tube area and causing corrosion Some of you have been made to believe that unless your plane has recently received a new paint job you don t have a problem assure you that this is far from the truth It s a fact that paint stripper has been a problem but be assured that this isn t the only thing that causes corrosion on the torque tubes and attachment bolts This brings me to this month s item just finished an Annual Inspection on a very nice PA24 260 with a new paint job less than 2 years As always we pulled the Stabilator off and found that the bearings were ruined because paint stripper had found its way into the bearings Also found was a severe corrosion problem have a suggestion when it comes to getting your airplane painted and so far it has worked The first thing you need to do is remove all the panels that
96. rove Vmc and stall characteristics An essential ingredient in the kit was the rudder seal strip a rubber strip which was inserted in the gap between the trailing edge of the vertical stabilizer and the leading edge of the rudder The purpose of the strip was to prevent airflow from the high pressure side of the rudder through the gap to the low pressure side thus increasing the effectiveness of the rudder during single engine operation We are finding that the original rubber strip due to the ravages of time repainting etc have deteriorated on many aircraft and unfortunately the strip is no longer available Knots 2U Inc has the FAA PMA approval under STC SA516GL to manufacture and install Teflon coated aluminum rudder seals which meet the FAR requirements for the PA 30 The seals not only limit the flow of air through the gap but they do a better job aerodynamically than the rubber seal Cowl Assembly Another piece of information is that the cowl assembly P N 22039 02 that you mention in the January Flyer is available in fiberglass from WagAero of Lyons WI This is an exact replica which they sell for the Skybolt homebuilt Comanche Airframe Age Q How Old Is Old would like to have comments from your readers who have considerable time on their 400 Comanches Our 400 N8509P will soon have 3 000 hours on the airframe We are noticing some slight airframe changes such as paint coming off of some of the rivets on the leading edge
97. s is much harder to close than the other it can be due to a broken or missing spring Dave Clark Ram s Horn Control Wheels Mar 2012 Q We are interested in installing ram s horn control wheels in a PA30 We where told by Webco to contact the ICS to see if you knew how to do this with FAA approval Has anyone ever installed Aerostar controls in a Comanche A This issue of replacement of the regular yokes with ram s horn yokes has been a muchdiscussed topic for a very long time because there is no formal approval for it In the old days when the FAA didn t seem to care the AP IA would simply replace them and record a logbook entry These days any departure from the type certificate is subject to scrutiny and can lead to unfortunate repercussions especially if the aircraft is involved in an accident From your standpoint if an IA signs it off then you would feel that this is a legal repair However the owner operator has the ultimate responsibility for the maintenance of the aircraft so if you alter it outside the purview of the type certificate data sheet or without an STC or field approval then you are responsible Now the question arises as to whether this is a major or minor repair in which case the IA can if he chooses sign it off with a minor repair log entry However can say that the FSDO inspectors take a variable view of this some feel that it doesn t matter and others say that it is a major alteration The best course
98. s long You are now armed with the tools to do the job Lubricate the side of the fuselage with WD 40 or Teflon lightly Just make it a little slippery Now place the seal in the proper alignment above the wing skin and lower it till the flange that will be under the wing touches the top of the wing and bends slightly Keeping pressure on the seal from above tuck this flange back toward the fuselage with the chopstick until you see it flip underneath the wing Do this only for about a 2 inch span Then keeping pressure on the seal at this point begin tucking the flange with chopstick that will point downward and lap against the fuselage Simply force it to bend on itself and fold against the fuselage It will now be in a U shape against the fuselage Then using the tie wrap end force the flange to snap down in position underneath the whole seal You can move the whole thing up and down gently with the big end of the chopstick and a peek underneath remove fairings will confirm the correct position Cut off bottom pieces of seal where it goes over wing spar Have patience and you ll get it eventually IES Chapter 8 Airframe 10 of 53 4 wat A a STEP Wd ster 2 FO ose 3 a ye 3 v y WING W WING v e wing RESULT I RESULT 2 END RESULT FOUR FLANGE Lh SEAL WING WING wine Ailerons Aileron Cable Separation by Corrosion had a call to report a broken aileron cable This happened during a period of strong gusty winds
99. sions When was the last time these were checked would bet that a lot of Comanches haven t been rigged nor had the tension checked since new It isn t a big job and the tools are easy to make All the required tools and how to manufacture them are in the Manual It is amazing the speed increase when everything is in rig Gluing Door Seals with Weatherstrip Jan 2004 Q I am installing a new door seal on my Comanche and am wondering what to use to glue it in place A The product recommend is 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive 3M Part 80071 It is available from Aircraft Spruce for 5 90 for a 5 oz tube The A C Spruce p n is 09 2700 Static Wicks Jan 2004 Q I would like to put static wicks on my PA 30 Any info you can supply on field approvals 337 s or an STC will be greatly appreciated A In the Piper PA 30 parts manual refer to figure 54 It shows where the static wicks can be located The Piper part number for the static wicks is p n 494 678 Since it is listed as factory optional equipment in our opinion a 337 or STC would not be needed A logbook entry by an A amp P with appropriate weight and balance changes is all that is needed Asymmetric flaps Feb 2004 Q What causes the asymmetrical flap condition just experienced such an occurrence but have no idea what caused it When landed the stuck flap went up on its own A Aworn or dirty flap track can cause the flap on that side to not retract fully after extension This
100. sn t passed this info on to Maurice and even he didn t know that the trim stops 5 amp 6 were of different lengths They have no identification on them as to part number So after switched their position and reset the neutral position the actuator arm 4 adjusted properly We buttoned up the tail cone flew the bird for an OK flight and signed her off Learning experience yes But how was so lucky the first three jobs to get those trim stops 5 amp 6 correct Figure 38 Stabilator Trim Mechanism Installation PA 24 180 PA 24 250 ISSUED DECEMBER 1966 PA 24 260 PA 24 400 Shimming out Trim Drum Wear In the January 95 issue of the Flyer my article entitled Errors and Omissions referred in paragraph 2 to Corrected some slop in the trim drum vertical movement with shims The article was not intended to be a how to type article but to relate a problem had experienced in doing a trim stabilator overhaul Nevertheless the reference to shimming the screw actuator raised a couple of questions as to how the shimming is done As is true with many jobs of this sort there s a couple of right ways to do it and at least one wrong way So let s dispose of the wrong way right now Refer to sketch You do not want to put a loose shim or washer on the screw actuator 10 between the trim drum and the oilite bearing 9 This is asking for trouble since the shim or washer will in time catch on the screw threads
101. ss are more than this Piper recommends an AN2 15A bolt and replace only the loose rivet and not all rivets if they are tight From what members tell me looseness in the two bearings part 4452 363 is more common This is Fafner KP37BS If checked as shown in the video you can detect the slightest looseness in any part of the stabilator attachment And if you find any looseness or noise have it checked and repaired as necessary with the above listed service bulletins Remember that unlike the rest of the aircraft the stabilator tube itself is not corrosion proofed The inner race of the bearings is such a close fit that there isn t room for it There have been several cases where this tube has been found to be rusty In some cases the rust has been on the tube inside the stabilator making it very difficult to get the stabilator off If yours has not been off the airplane in some years suggest it be removed and the tube checked at the next annual Corrosion proof the inside of the tube with zinc chromate or an equivalent product and then coat the outside of the tube with a product like Lps 3 which will help protect it from rusting IES Chapter 8 Airframe 25 of 53 Balance Weight Tube Stabilator Flutter Revisited PA30 Dick Brown ICS 12179 An old subject possibly a new twist Is there anyone out there flying a PA 30 who may still occasionally feel a vibration in the yoke on letdown and have not been able to find
102. t just inside the engine firewall you can pull on the handle in the cabin and the entire wire will come out You ll find that the handle on the cabin end of the wire was cinched on at the factory After putting the proximal end of the wire near the handle in a vice you ll have to use a blowtorch to heat the wire s insertion point in the handle and pull very hard to get the two to separate went to a local hardware store and bought the correct gauge piano wire and found that could get the end into the handle without much trouble but since could not cinch the wire in place in the handle had to silver solder it in This has worked for me in my PA30 for 20 years and it will work for you as well You must use silver solder and not regular solder due to the extra strength of the silver solder Use a blowtorch to heat the wire and the tip of the handle insert the wire and then remove the flame and apply the solder and it should be sucked into the cavity and hold the wire You should lubricate the wire before it goes back in the housing with a very fine petroleum free lubrication Petroleum grease binds up after years so it must be petroleum free Now let me jump to the reason that you are doing this replacement It is not a small job so you want to do it only if it is really necessary i e if the wire is broken or compromised in a way that mandates replacement On the other hand if the cable is intact but is binding and stiff when you pull on
103. ter corrosion protection Service Bulletin 1160 IES Chapter 8 Airframe 45 of 53 In December 2005 Piper issued this service bulletin to address corrosion in and on the torque tubes You can see very mild surface corrosion in the photo of the torque tube assembly below In order to forestall an Airworthiness Directive ICS member Hans Heubert an FAA Designated Engineering Representative DER took the most corroded example available and tested it to determine if the torque tube still met the strength standards required for original certification The result was that even with significant pitting the torque tube met or exceeded its original design requirements proving once again that Comanches are generally over built Service Alert Rudder Attachment Dec 2009 Kristin Winter ICS 15964 It has been reported by several Comanche savvy mechanics that cracks are being discovered in the rudder attachment bracket assemblies For the twins and the 400s these are part numbers 20707 06 top 20707 07 middle and 20713 00 bottom For the other singles the part numbers are 20707 02 top 20707 03 middle and 20713 00 bottom These part numbers come from a current parts catalog The cracks have been reported as running vertically through the portion that holds the bearing p n 452 347 see photos Inspection is difficult or impossible for the ends but the sides of the boss that holds the needle bearing is easy to see The F
104. that NO corrosion is to be allowed To identify the bolts see the drawings below Also see FAA Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin CE 04 88 dated 9 15 04 Also ICS member Hans Neubert is doing extensive research on this subject IES Chapter 8 Airframe 23 of 53 AN 173C THRU AN 182C AN 173 THRU AN 182 Stabilator Inspection From the desk of Maurice Taylor Note Also see FAA Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin CE 04 88 dated 9 15 04 Also ICS member Hans Neubert is doing extensive research on this subject We have talked about the inspection of the empennage in the past but think that we should remind you again regarding this important inspection If the stabilizers on your aircraft haven t been taken off to inspect the torque tube and bolts IES Chapter 8 Airframe 24 of 53 strongly advise that you have it done at the next annual We have found bad bearings rusty bolts and rusty torque tubes Piper doesn t allow any corrosion on this tube Be sure that you have the corrosion resistant bolts installed as shown 1 The two bolts item 1 on the drawing which are AN175 C33A Piper 502 343 for the 180 250 and 260 and AN175 33A Piper 4402 346 for the 400 and PA30 39 which hold the stabilizer horn to the stabilizer tube were badly rusted where they go through the inside of the tube 2 The one bolt item 2 on the drawing which is AN174 224A Piper 40232 on all models which attaches th
105. that time with the exception of any 180 s all Comanches were typically equipped with electrically operated flap systems Manual flaps are constructed differently with eight ribs compared to eleven in the electrically operated ones are driven by a control rod at the inboard end rather than at the middle and are hinged below the centerline to achieve some Fowler type action to an otherwise plain flap in comparison to the semi Fowler action provided by the later type which rides aft as well as down on a rollered track Furthermore manual flaps operate in three settings of approximately nine degrees each to a maximum deflection of 27 degrees Electric flaps have no pre set stops and go to a maximum of 32 degrees on the 250 and 260 and to 38 degrees on the 400 Adjustment tolerances are 0 degrees at the zero neutral setting and 2 degrees for the manual flaps and 1 degree for the electric flaps at the maximum deflected position One could assume several possibilities for the initial zero degree flap setting position but logic indicates that it should be the same as for the electric flaps even though the manual doesn t say so At my request Maurice Taylor asked the factory But while they couldn t provide an updated procedure they indicated that my assumption was okay This as is stated in the manual for the electric flaps is a 13 degree difference between the upper surface of the flap at a designated point and the longitudinal level line
106. tors to be considered When you position the distal end of the cable in the cowl flap retraction mechanism make sure that you push the panel control knob all the way in first Then tighten the retainer nut that captures the cable with the cable perfectly straight If there is any bow or slack in the cable you are already ensuring it will break again Be careful not to over tighten this nut as it acts like a guillotine and will cut the wire and also lead to premature failure Amplifying on what Lucky said when you are pushing the new wire through the housing if you hit a snag just when you think you are almost all the way there take off the inspection plate at the top of the engine nacelle just above and behind the firewall Loosen the clamp that holds the cable housing and pull the housing back into the rear compartment This will straighten it out enough to let the wire pass the final sharp curve Once the cable is through replace the housing back in place and tighten the clamp Here is the only place the service manual tells you how to adjust the housing clamp See page 2D23 in the service manual Make sure you reinstall the tiny ball bearing friction lock on the handle as you push it the last few inches into the panel This is also a good time to inspect the cable attachment in the other engine and make sure there is no bend or bow in it Furthermore make sure that the return spring is still on the cowl flap mechanism If one of your cowl flap
107. trong corporate connection with McCauley Propeller Systems since both are owned by Textron Our sleuthing expert who is rebuilding and modernizing a 260C found that Cessna keeps these mounts in inventory for shops that do the STC conversion He ordered his from Piedmont Aviation Component Services http www piedmontaviation com and said Chuck Johnson parts manager 336 776 6140 was very helpful in finding theJ 3802 41 kits for him The J 3804 20 kit consists of Two J 3049 35 sandwich mountings and One Y 6769 1 S spacer The J 3804 41 kit consists of Two J 3049 34 sandwich mountings One Y 6769 1 S spacer Take the parts from these kits which are the same as you d have in four J 3049 30 kits and have them installed according to Lord specifications per the sketch below J 3049 35 Pi J 3049 34 LYCOMING IO 540N1A5 J 3049 34 J 3049 35 Note There are differences in stiffness in the rubber compounds used in the sandwich mountings so it is important to place the J 3049 35 sandwich mountings only in the top forward and bottom aft locations and the J 3049 34 sandwich mountings only in the bottom forward and top aft locations Do it right and your logbook can be signed off using part numbers rather than kit numbers to keep everything legal Shoulder Harnesses Nov 2004 Q just bought a 1960 Comanche 250 was surprised when did the pre buy inspection that it doesn t have shoulder harnesses Is t
108. ts Installation ran into a situation the other day while overhauling Ward Whipple s stabilator which would be of definite interest to anyone about to do this job I ve done this job four times and thought was reasonably proficient at it How wrong could be The disassembly bolt replacement torque tube bearing replacement cleaning and painting are tedious but rather straight forward Numerical references are to item numbers on Fig 38 in the Parts Manual In the process we corrected some slop in the trim drum vertical movement with shims This naturally requires unwinding the trim drum 7 So all finished with the details and now for reassembly Again this rewinding of the trim drum is tedious but not too difficult if you follow the directions in the Shop Manual Set the proper trim wraps 7 from top adjust the screw actuator 10 0 285 inch for the 180 from the top screw stop 5 and you re in the neutral position right Wrong We did it as instructed buttoned up the tail cone flew a test hop and low and behold we don t have nearly enough nose down trim available You had to hold forward pressure on the wheel with full nose down trim and 120 knots indicated Conversely the nose up trim available was excessive i e more than you ever need So back to the hanger recheck everything make some minor adjustments in the screw position in the drum and back for another test hop This time a little better but still not right
109. ttached through the torque tube If there is movement there is a kit that can be installed high shear rivet kit that beefs this area up and eliminates the inspection This is all described in AD 94 13 10 The parts are available from Piper am trying to understand what your question relates to perhaps you can clarify assume that you want to install the high shear rivet kit and you are wondering how to do it To begin the description of the repair is described in the Airworthiness Directive To answer your specific question there is no public AMOC that am aware of however there are two other methods that can be employed that are non destructive The first is what Webco has told me they have an Approved Method Of Compliance is issued just to Webco which allows them to drill out some rivets in the skin on the tail area peel it back some and get access in that fashion They then install the blocks that comprise the high shear rivet kit and rivet the skin back into place This is a non destructive method of gaining access but since the approval by the FAA has been issued only to Webco you ll need to IES Chapter 8 Airframe 48 of 53 take your plane to Webco to have the procedure performed Also you should obtain a copy of the approval for this method of compliance by Webco for your records have not seen this AMOC personally but Webco has told me that they have it Pat Fresh air ducts Aug 2011 Q On my 60 model 250 t
110. ute respect proper stabilator static balance trim for pitch changes and no heavy hands Stabilator Jam One of our members Barry Canner ICS 06049 has a PA24 260C S N 4224 4988 built in 1971 with an Altimatic III Autopilot installed at the factory He found that the stabilizer bridle cable was quite loose when adjusted to the proper tension of 17 2 lbs He discovered that due to the servo location this raised the stabilizer cable allowing the back clamp to catch on the stiffener or bulkhead Barry checked with Century Flight Systems formerly Mitchell and found that their drawing 69 D508 calls for a bracket and pulley 7 A598 to be mounted under the floor board to hold the bridle cable down as well as a football shaped bracket 7131068 around the stiffener to prevent the clamp from catching Barry s airplane did not have either in place If you have a single or twin which came with the Altimatic III or IIIB suggest that you check to determine if yours has the two brackets and the pulleys installed If the clamps get caught on the stringer it will make it impossible to move the stabilizer control IES Chapter 8 Airframe 22 of 53 Stabilator Attachment Hardware In the February 93 Flyer talked about the importance of checking the stabilizer for looseness In the process of making this inspection several alert mechanics one of whom is Dave Pratt the IA inspecting Dick Cameron s ICS 07109 aircraft reported finding v
111. y trap and calling it to our attention Item 13 Right Side PN 23743 05 S 24 3558 and up FUSELAGE FRONT FRAME ASSEMBLY Stringer Cracks Several members have advised me that they have found cracks on the forward end of the stringer 13 at the point shown on the drawing on both sides see page 8 20 So far all the airplanes reported have been 260 s but doubt this is confined just to this model Time does not seem to be a factor as these range from 2 900 hours to 11 000 hours On these 260 s the cracks can be located approximately 4 below the air vent at the pilot s and copilot s heels By removing the left and right inspection access panels which are under the pilot and copilot s heels you can use a mirror and flashlight to inspect this area See photograph for what you can expect to find if there are cracks in this area IES Chapter 8 Airframe 19 of 53 This particular stringer on the forward end has a race track shaped hole cut into it which assume is for the passage of wires although none of the reported aircraft had any wires through this hole As the bottom engine mounts attach to the forward end of these stringers the load from it is then transmitted back through the stringers into the fuselage So on single engine Comanches on your next inspection please check this area It would be appreciated if you would get back to me if you find any cracks This way we can determine if there is an ongoing problem Ra

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